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    Quote Originally Posted by ImInsane View Post
    Jaq never gave a correct explanation to why the cav/phract smacks work. I dont think anyone can claim that they were the ones to invent these kinds of hits.

    Jaq never said anything about how rolling logs affects the scout layer in a cav/phract smack. He claimed that when the 5k setters were gone, the cavs got a speed bonus (which is bullcrap).

    Khalee is right, putting this into practice is hard, specially now that the bots rule the world. But knowing why it works helps you understand simple things like the fact that by adding thicker scout layer when the defender still got rolling logs, the logs wont take out the scout layer. Or if the defender has that 1 catapult, that you thicken your layers so that the 1 pult cant take out an attacking layer in 1 round. These are things Jaq never explained, so claiming he invented something he couldnt explain, makes it all seem like a copy of a hit he saw in War Reports.

    As for scout bombs, its not a hard thing to figure out. Any noob early on in the game will try to send unlayered attacks of any troop type.
    Say what you want about Jaq not interpreting the results correctly, but I think what happened was people just played around with setups until they found something that worked and then forged a hypothesis as to why it worked the way it did, flying cav anyone?

    Just from his item drop guide alone I will say that Jaq was a smart player that knew the mechanics of the game better than most while he played. Who knows what he would have come up with if he was still around today ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by estrickland89 View Post
    So I heard of this guy who was the first, THE FIRST GUY TO EVER COME UP WITH CAV SMACKS AND SCOUT BOMBS ON EVONY! His fanboy even said he knows the game better than the developers themselves. Before him, everyone thought they were safe with only 100k archers

    My question is, who invented these attack that people use so much now? Leave you interesting or creative comments below. or on facebook, twitter or google+
    I was there when Civony moved to Evony and i was put onto Server 5. I went through all of the "Yay i have 100k Arch!" *Splat!* "what Happened?" and i can honestly say i didn't even hear of a rainbow until 3 months into the server, i believe it was S20 that Someone said they learned about scout bombs, Cav smacks came even later if i remember right...
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    Who did it first is a whole lot less important than someone doing it right.

    as in Wrong: http://ww.evonyurl.com/4m1ld2

    Right: http://ww.evonyurl.com/wkrg57

    Right round the archers and onto the mech

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    With all honesty most of this strategy is nearly univeral in many strategy or similar games with few exception. So to credit one person for publicly introducing it, might not be fair for those who have used it and have not spoken about it.

    We should credit those who made the effert to share the strategy and claim they were the first to mke it public, however, there were likely others who have used the strategy but doesn't care about writting a guide about them.

    There are many players who has a keen sense of strategy with this type of games and many of them shares the same types of skills and knowledge, however many of them experience the different strategy in different order base on their battle experience.
    In other words, different battle settings expose skilled players to different strategy or adaption to a new and improve strategy, so that players who came accross scout first are more are likely to have develope scout bombs and those who were exposed laters will perfect it. This also means the reverse can be true for both players.


    Example; i knew about the 3-5 second near instant cap, but i and a handful of others developed the true instant cap, capping a npc in 1 second. However, there were others who played this game before me who knew about this but probably never thought it was of any value.

    Also keep in mind, alot of this strategy are usually gaurded secret just like most other games. The less they know the better your chance.

    I am not going to take away any credit or attempt to, to those players who made many contribution to the community to improve game play by sharing strategy, so that everyone can better understand this game, which at one time requires 6 sense to understand, just because they lay claim to it. In thier mind they believe they did and i agree, until other wise proven wrong they have every reasont to believe.

    It may sound hard to believe but it is true that most hardcore players will play the game that will get developers scratching their heads, i seen it many times.

    I would like to use Hobart as another none gameing example.
    Hobart an Industrial equiptment service understand this very well,so to improve their machine they asked many diferent user of their products their opinion, what they like and don't, plus what experience they have. From talking with the the different user, they develope a way to compact the machine and even reduce stress on the user to improve productivity.


    To those who made contribution, my respect and will always hold you in high regards. Thanks for sharing.
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    Scout bombs were originally used in early ageI servers 1 - 4, for taking down the loyalty of a city (and removing the remaining rubbish left there. This lead to many uses and variations (such as finding out they work at killing archers through a defence).
    (ofc they cant take down loyalty now but they used to be able to. This was just a product of pretty much all players back then and wasn't brought up by any player.

    As for phractsmacks or HAMMERS as i remember them being called, it must have been someone pre server 4 as we were using them a month or so in on server 3 to kill large amount of ballistas people used to farm 10's without losses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Jade~ View Post
    scout bombs dont drop loy.
    They once did. It wasn't until they no longer dropped loy when people realized they were efficient for killing other troops and especially mechs.

    Quote Originally Posted by HDrider View Post
    scout bombs were created early in age1, cheap fast way to bring down loy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas101 View Post
    Say what you want about Jaq not interpreting the results correctly, but I think what happened was people just played around with setups until they found something that worked and then forged a hypothesis as to why it worked the way it did, flying cav anyone?

    Just from his item drop guide alone I will say that Jaq was a smart player that knew the mechanics of the game better than most while he played. Who knows what he would have come up with if he was still around today ...
    The game mechanics and the actual battle mechanics are 2 completely different things Lucas. Now shut the up smart!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalee View Post
    EDIT: Jaq played early servers (like <10 I believe), and I'm good friends with a guy who played alongside him. So no, I'm not posting assumptions. Jaq was using horse-hits when others still thought WarriorBombs were.... well, the bomb.
    He was my host when he wrote that guide, he released it when he quit for university to the public. I guarantee you that he played on servers after 10, He ran the best co-altion there was on s31, us against co-alition 420. Aww the memories thinking about this has brought back, I was such a noob at that time, he was a great leader a great host and the alliance and the co-altion fell hard and fast when he quit, no one could replace him. Many imitators out there but i saw it in its rough draft b4 it was ever put on his blog for the first time, b4 it became public, he may have played server b4 that, but the last server he played was s31. And he is still missed by the few of us out here that still play.


    *edit* while im thinking about it .. If anyone else from Jaq1, or Jaq.Vet or on s31 is still around shoot me a PM would be nice to catch up
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    A scout bomb could of been accidently created by accidently clicking 'attack' instead of 'scout' when they were trying to scout someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zom View Post
    A scout bomb could of been accidently created by accidently clicking 'attack' instead of 'scout' when they were trying to scout someone.

    Sorry you are wrong,
    I invented the Scout Bomb,
    I was attacking someone, and instead of a War Bomb ( i always invented that ), i need something fast to attack the target before my main archer wave got through.
    Luckily, The scouts killed 20k archers, as well as me losing honor. So i told all my friends about it . and they told their friends, and so on. .
    and that is the story of the 'Scout Bomb' .

    The story of the War Bomb is more fun >

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