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    All I see is people crying about how unfair it is to have someone be able to force your gates closed or open for a while. Oh noes! Your 1337 botting skills are not going to work anymore!!1one!

    I think the broken gates item is a great idea, though the chances of receiving it are rare. So Evony, please introduce this item so we can buy it. I'd happily pay atleast 100cents ($10) for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium79 View Post
    as customers we have a right to say what we like and don't like. We don't like it.
    You contradict yourself. The majority of people complaining are those that believe this makes the game completely unfair due to a coiners advantage. Obviously a coiner would have little difficulty countering/trucing/holiday/porting/avoiding doom by other means for six days.
    Not saying that non-coiners don't have the right to voice their opinions. It's just that spoiled attitude I find fault with.

    Quote Originally Posted by delirium79 View Post
    People are concerned these new items are going to become permanent fixtures to buy. Given many have spent large amounts of money on their accounts it's their right to be concerned about losing big heroes. No?
    Why get so disgruntled over an assumption? Evony stated that the special would last six days, so you should treat the change as temporary.
    Also, where do you get losing heroes from? The item simply reduces stats by ten percent.

    Quote Originally Posted by delirium79 View Post
    as to being disgusted? we are the consumers, the people that make evony rich. Again, customers that have put a real financial investment into the game. If we hate the items, that's our right as consumers. I do feel for the mods, I know you guys are volunteers just trying to keep the peace and there's been some pretty strong opinions in this thread. But I'm saddened by how dismissive the mods are being of our concerns where we are basically being told 'stop whining and deal with it'.
    Believe it or not but mods are consumers too. All of us have played, some of us still do. I have yet to read another mods response, but we tend to be quite objective so you may want to listen I'm particularly dismissive because I've seen suggestions in my section several times proposing nearly the exact same items with the exact same effects.



    Quote Originally Posted by Eartha View Post
    It's not about someone opening my gates for an hour, it's about someone closing them for an hour. You want to hit my cities, grand work away. However, I should have the ability to defend that city, by opening my gates and killing your troops. I shouldn't have to spend more money than I have already on this game (and that is before you decide I am a free forever player my dear) just so I can defend myself by a) porting or b) trucing. Granted I can get these items from the wheel of doom, or by farming for ports. I'd much rather be able to defend my cities in the manner that I always have done.
    Why should you have the ability to defend your city by only the troops locked in the city? The point of these effects is to mix up both defense and offense, it's to make you adapt and form a new manner of defense. You (presumably) have 9 other cities. So, with one city unable to march or open gates, what can you do to formulate a good defense for that city? There's that old saying.. a good defense is a good offense. Or, the more obvious choice for players who spend money: buy your own broken gates effect and either counter or make that offense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eartha View Post
    To be honest in the two years I have been playing Age I, I can not recall one person I know stating 'we want Strats in Age I', in fact considering most of the people I know in Age I, I actually met when I first started on Age II and they brought me over to Age I. The strats are a part of the reason they don't play Age II any longer. May be you are confusing the two Ages, as Evony often do. Age II is Age II and Age I is Age I. The two should never ever be lumped together.
    I'm not confusing anything. I moderate the Game suggestion box and we get suggestions dealing with both defender advantage over attackers and mixing up the game. These items can help make defense challenging for experienced players, it can bring life back into the game. So no, i'm not lumping anything together and i'm not Evony. I've played both games, i've coined, all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ahiromu View Post
    The past two posters are spot on. Forcing gates open is one thing, but making a city indefensible is what so many of us find appalling.

    On the other hand, making an item that has the ability to make a city LITERALLY indefensible is just plain unfair. We know that there are always going to be balancing issues, but this one was made either ignorantly or apathetically. Both are insulting to the player base.
    The city isn't "LITERALLY indefensible," which means it isn't "plain unfair." You take offense where none was intended.

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    I find it hard to believe in all of our game suggestions that this item, or something similiar to it, was ever suggested. I do give Evony props for trying to spice up Age 1. However, we have made many other suggestions you simply take no note of. Why not bring dream truce back....or introduce a truce where you can truce just one city and not the entire account.
    There are a plethora of these ideas we have suggested over and over.
    Nice attempt at spicing up the game though, I have to admit I check on my account a bit more now.
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    i still dont get this devil and angel i must be good to coin?

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    real players dont complain. they just play.

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    i didnt see a date on items, looks like the gate lock will be around like the dream truce lol.


    killing age 1 FTW!

    already lost a 1k hero on ss61, glad this is the point.... NOT

    Quote Originally Posted by Tok3r View Post
    All I see is people crying about how unfair it is to have someone be able to force your gates closed or open for a while. Oh noes! Your 1337 botting skills are not going to work anymore!!1one!

    I think the broken gates item is a great idea, though the chances of receiving it are rare. So Evony, please introduce this item so we can buy it. I'd happily pay atleast 100cents ($10) for this.
    you dont have a hero worth capping, ill bet ya a chest

    Quote Originally Posted by SickbyDefinition View Post

    This is not the end all be all, guys. These items are not that bad. It is not impossible to defend your city with open gates for an hour. And what if you're sleeping? Well, honestly, if you went to bed with closed gates you're just as likely to get robbed of all your resources and be woken up to a starving city. In fact, you'd stand a better chance with open gates.
    Not to mention that, but the broken gates item can actually be used to help yourself defend as well.
    The effects help assist against a defending bot because of the population reduction and the open gates. An attacking bot would find itself out of whack (timing wise) because of the extended march time. A bot has no programming for these effects. It's good.
    The hero start only cripples your hero by 10%. Unless you stack it three times, and I wouldn't count on getting one hero stacked 30% simple because for each $30 you randomly get one of the four devil effects available.
    "Lost in the Waste" won't help an attacking coiner, so no worries there either.

    The most interesting part of this reaction in my opinion is that this is only a 6 day event, yet many of you are acting as if gameplay is ruined forever. The company is trying to make a positive addition, a special occasion, for it's players and i'm honestly disgusted with how spoiled and entitled many of you sound, as if Evony should cater solely to the people who don't help support the game financially at all.
    Some of the reactions in this thread are ridiculous.
    If the item affects are not that big of a deal, why implement it?

    and yes, as far as we know these items can be stashed for 1-2 years from now.,, 6 das to buy it, but they can hold it untel EA games makes an age 2.

    Its killing the game, no one wants to port near a coiner for fear of locked gates. And if the coiner does have 3-100 of these, then defender has no choice but to holiday even MORE.


    holiday is ok as evony's backbone for finance, but this item fks it all up. no one has a desire to compete against the 1% with this item.

    we might as well just shlt talk from fillers if we cant run our own defense


    ***PS*** Attacking back when they can open gates is utterly returded. why would thier heal matter (the attacker cant lose much since defender cant open... HELLO?) the attackers/item user gets trans in no matter what. a defender's counter attacking is fked in 2 ways now. 10% heal on lost trans and they will get plundered FOR SURE.
    I guess i need to cheet more to compete with this, "only 10b reso", loss.... but pls dont bich if people cheet just to fill reso loads to stall the "10b" reso attack ...thing.

    its ok to cheet to comepete now


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    Quote Originally Posted by SickbyDefinition View Post


    The city isn't "LITERALLY indefensible," which means it isn't "plain unfair." You take offense where none was intended.
    Yeah only the kids with insta-walls stand a chance without coining/porting. I see evo's angle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tok3r View Post
    Aww, you finally lost on Evony because your helper couldn't help you?
    sure, lets entertain that assumption

    <1:36>[KH]: good think i still have 25 of those left to use lol
    (gate breakers ...aka you dont get to use your own accnt)


    anyone else have 25 gate breakers? lol grats to evony, no one wants to play now
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    I have a couple of points and questions.

    The introduction of this broken gate thingie is very unfair. How is it a war game if you are unable to control how you defend your city and hard earned troops and res? Those are my cities, I'll decide when the gates are open or closed thank you very much. And lets face it, I would think very few people are gonna lock gates open, most will go for the free res option. Why should we accept that someone can force us to holiday, truce or port when we have troops to use, troops that we have to feed every day and are suddenly useless to us should we be 'unlucky' enough to have this broken gate thing applied to us. Some don't coin either, maybe they don't want to and therefore cant truce, holiday or port, but if they have worked hard enough to provide the troops to defend their city then why should they have to do any of these things ?

    Also, I see a few people think this is a good idea coz they can hit the botters without them being able to defend. Can i just point out, contrary to popular belief, not everyone is a botter. So if this is supposedly to help us hit the botters then there is a flaw in that reasoning right there - surely dealing with botters is evony's job ?

    The argument that this is a rare item that few people would get and that you would be unlucky to have used against you really doesn't wash. If this is used on one single person it is unfair, I don't personally subscribe to the idea that if it doesn't affect me then i don't care

    And I know it is 'only for 6 days' but this is not the point, it does damage to people's game even if it is only for an hour, once it is applied, the possibility that you lose all your res/troops/big heroes is very real, regardless of the time scale. Yes, there are ways round it, of course there are, but not everyone has the items/time to do this.

    This is only my opinion, Im not whining, Im just expressing what I think which is after all what a forum is for.

    There were a couple of questions asked, that I haven't seen answers for, i apologise if I missed them but -

    1) do we get notification that this item has been applied to us ?
    2) if it is applied does it only affect the one city or your whole account ?
    3) after the initial 6 days of purchasing with the ability (however rare) to obtain the broken gates item, do they hang around in your account indefinitely, for use whenever you want

    Also, for the record, should I obtain one of these items, no matter how much someone annoys me, or no matter how much I 'think' they are running a bot, I won't be using what i see to be a fundamentally unfair item. Id rather play the game the way it was intended, as a war game, thats free for all with a level playing field

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    Quote Originally Posted by SickbyDefinition View Post
    I find some of the reactions in this thread funny. Items like this have been suggested in the past. New strategy items are suggested frequently actually; many people want Evony to try and spice up the game.
    That's all Evony has done, they have attempted to add a little fun - something different - and what do they get from their customers for trying?

    Apart from broken gates being ridiculously, really ridiculously insane, I'm sure when people asked for new features they didn't mean them to be only for the wealthy among us.

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    I think all of us calming down and not turning to insults it a good idea. I've read many of the comments and I would think that we should be discussing the idea not the people. Of course calling me an S.O.B. tends to get me to agree.. ya don't know my mom but calling me that would be strike her as a compliment LOL

    And yes I think its the forced closed part that is getting to most people.

    The idea of having all resources stripped from our cities is scary. Yes this could be a 6 day event... BUT it has taken more then 6 days to build our cities and train our heroes and troops. Losing all your resources will take much longer to recover.

    With 0 food and gold you cannot train your replacement troops or heal your wounded. You cannot raid for resources so you cannot rebuild anything. Yes your alliance can help if you have one that can or that has anything to spare.

    Some people may be afraid of change. But many are concerned that this change will damage the game. This is a legitimate concern. There still hasn't been a firm answer on if gates will open at 5% or not. From reading elsewhere if the strat is still in effect, gates stay closed. This truly does make a city defenceless and I do not think that was ever part of the game plan.

    For Age2 we have cities that cannot truce or teleport. Those strategies won't work.

    Maybe modifying the time the gates are closed for and when they open would be a good idea. Perhaps forced open for 1 hour and closed for 15 to 30 minutes plus if we knew for sure they would open at 5 or 10% would help. As it is there are more concerns then answers.

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