HIV Cured?

[KrazyKazza]

This sounds to me like they just got lucky with a vaccination and it will not be long before the virus evolves to the vaccine and then they will be back to scrambling for a new one...

No luck involved. Problem is that viruses are cunning little devils and have means of fighting back. Its taking cells that are supposed to do this kind of job and giving them the appropriate tools to do it.

T cells are a part of the immune system and therefore fight alien 'bodies'. This is easy/easier in rats because the rats are all of the same strain and all live identical lives with identical living conditions. The variables are much lower than us humans who all eat different stuff, are exposed to different bugs, temperature, stresses etc etc. Transferring the technology to humans isn't therefore that straight forward but a huge amount of work has led the way in Cancer for example where the same principal is being tested and developed.

The theory is sound and could be hugely promising but you can bet it wont be cheap and someone somewhere stands to pocket a huge amount of money and it wont be the researchers.

Also what you need to know about research is where it is published MEANS A LOT. Publications are a bit like wikipaedia in some respect and it depends on who wrote it, who reviewed it as to how valid it is. PLoS is one of the best but has come up for scrutiny in the past. I would say the source is good but have yet to read the paper in fine detail.

Like all science the publication is often light years away from action. So many hurdles to cross, so many checks to make and people to satisfy. IF it does work then it could be years before we see this used.

What do you guys think? Yay for science? Or i'll believe it when I see it?

Both!

[acer5200]

Personally, I think these viruses and genetic mutations are a necessary thing from nature for human population control. I mean seriously, hypothetically speaking, humans ARE the apex predators. There is no other animal on the planet that specifically attacks humans for food. Even sharks won't eat us. One bite and they go, "Oh no, that caloric content is far too high, I won't be able to fit into those pants if I eat that thing." Personally, I look at cancer and all I see is nature trying to control the constantly overgrowing population. If you take a close look at what we've cured and vaccinated, you'll see that something else is discovered in it's place, usually worse than what was just cured. Maybe we were only supposed to have that 35 year life expectancy, instead of living to 110 or longer.

[KrazyKazza]

Personally, I think these viruses and genetic mutations are a necessary thing from nature for human population control. I mean seriously, hypothetically speaking, humans ARE the apex predators. There is no other animal on the planet that specifically attacks humans for food. Even sharks won't eat us. One bite and they go, "Oh no, that caloric content is far too high, I won't be able to fit into those pants if I eat that thing."

saw a youtube of an anaconda eating people, they obviously think we are tasty!

Personally, I look at cancer and all I see is nature trying to control the constantly overgrowing population. If you take a close look at what we've cured and vaccinated, you'll see that something else is discovered in it's place, usually worse than what was just cured. Maybe we were only supposed to have that 35 year life expectancy, instead of living to 110 or longer.

100% agree!

The more advanced science becomes the more we expect but the reality is there are too many humans, we break all the laws of nature. We have no real predator (except ourselves). In the past diseases such as the black death controlled population and cancer isnt new we just recognise it for what it is now. People live longer because we can recognise and treat so many illnesses and because they live longer other illnesses become apparent that wouldnt have done so in times gone by when the average age was lower. There probably is more cancer nowadays but thats because of the environment we impose on the world and therefore our bodies.

So what happens? well maybe greed causes us to hunt our own by saying the rich can be treated but the poor cant?

Like most I find it difficult to watch those I care for suffer and would do anything. I also would like to help many I dont know. The reality though is a grim one I believe and that is we cant continue this way.

[SiphonXP]

If we raise our carrying capacity we CAN satisfy a higher population level though. It's our choice. If we so choose to have fewer people with more freedom to trash the planet as opposed to more people making efforts to preserve Earth than we obviously won't be able to hold as many people. I guess this is getting off topic, but eh.

[KrazyKazza]

If we raise our carrying capacity we CAN satisfy a higher population level though. It's our choice. If we so choose to have fewer people with more freedom to trash the planet as opposed to more people making efforts to preserve Earth than we obviously won't be able to hold as many people. I guess this is getting off topic, but eh.

The earth is a giant rock with limited resources. No deliveries come from outer space (yet). We have what we have. The resources have to cycle to maintain a balance.

Fox and hare - more foxes = less hares, less hares = less foxes, less foxes = more hares ... and the cycle repeats.

But how do you choose who lives and dies? Isn't this what wars are about? and wasn't this what diseases were about?

Easy to say we need to correct the cycle but much more difficult to actually do it. Survival instincts kick in for everyone.


As for off topic...Im all for it its kinda relevant.

[Venport]

saw a youtube of an anaconda eating people, they obviously think we are tasty!

Did you go to that weird part of the internet again?

Personally, I think these viruses and genetic mutations are a necessary thing from nature for human population control. I mean seriously, hypothetically speaking, humans ARE the apex predators. There is no other animal on the planet that specifically attacks humans for food. Even sharks won't eat us. One bite and they go, "Oh no, that caloric content is far too high, I won't be able to fit into those pants if I eat that thing." Personally, I look at cancer and all I see is nature trying to control the constantly overgrowing population. If you take a close look at what we've cured and vaccinated, you'll see that something else is discovered in it's place, usually worse than what was just cured. Maybe we were only supposed to have that 35 year life expectancy, instead of living to 110 or longer.

Then what about AIDS?

[KrazyKazza]

Did you go to that weird part of the internet again?

caught out


How come you search something normal and end up watching the most BIZARRE stuff on youtube???

Isnt AIDS a population control? some say natural some say man made

[Venport]

caught out


How come you search something normal and end up watching the most BIZARRE stuff on youtube???

It usually is prodouced out of the Related part.

Isnt AIDS a population control? some say natural some say man made

I suppose. But it's still weird and technally closly related to HIV.

[KrazyKazza]

It usually is prodouced out of the Related part.



I suppose. But it's still weird and technally closly related to HIV.

AIDS is the result of HIV
HIV wears the immune system out to the point it cannot work, when it cant work anymore then you have AIDS
HIV is the virus that results in AIDS the condition



Do we say that one illness should be treated and not another?

Does Heart Disease (usually an older persons disease) rank over Neuroblastoma ( a childs cancer)?
Does HIV have an equal standing to Malaria?

[jannge]

I've learned from South Park that injecting money into your blood is the cure for HIV. Are you telling me that South Park is wrong?