honesty

[MechHead]

"There are various eyes. Even the Sphinx has eyes: and as a result there are various truths, and as a result there is no truth." -Friedrich Nietzsche

thats not true *dragnet theme* the sphinx knows the truth

[Balaam]

ok so
the sky is blue = lie
sun rises and sets = lie

these are matters of perception

i'm from the government and i'm here to help.... not a perception problem just not true

[eric0095]

You're not alone in your line of thinking, Balaam. Though I agree with SbD that lying does have it's place here and there. Consider one of the lessons of The Dark Knight. Which is 'sometimes, people deserve more than the truth'.

***SPOILER ALERT***

There is a scene where Alfred (Batman's butler/friend) burns a letter from Rachel Dawson (Bruce Wayne's girlfriend/childhood friend). The letter was entrusted to Alfred before Rachel dies, and she tells him to give it to Bruce when the 'time is right'. Alfred read it, as it wasn't sealed, and discovered that Rachel was not going wait for Bruce and was going to marry Harvey Dent.

He had originally intended to give the card to Bruce over breakfast, but upon conversing with him, and hearing how much it meant to him that Rachel was going to wait for him, he snagged the card and lied about its importance when questioned.


This is just an example but you get what I mean XD

[Khalee]

Honesty without respect/care can be a dangerous weapon, especially if the speaker falls back on the "hey, I was just being honest" excuse.

I much prefer honesty. I'm not inclined to keep track of the details of a lie, thus I'm quite a bad liar. I will, however, speak around the truth, if a flatout honest opinion would be unconstructive and potentially hurtful.

My sister got a haircut. It was horrendous. There was no way I was going to tell her it looked good, however what I could tell her was that it was very different, and an interesting choice. My statement wasn't untrue, it was simply couched in terms that she could interpret as good/bad/otherwise in line with her own feelings.

I tend to suffer from what I call "foot in mouth" disease. Instead of pausing to think of the best way to phrase an answer, I seem to engage my vocal chords while the brain is still making it onboard. This has occasionally led to the need to apologise for the way in which something came out and a request that the bearer take the comment in the vein it was intended, but those around me have been fairly understanding. More importantly, in my book, is the fact that those around me never have to wonder if what I said was what I really thought. People respond genuinely to that honesty, even if it needs to be cleaned up a little afterward.

I think it's not so much whether you're flatout honest.... as what you're doing with that honesty, and why.

[King Alboin]

I knew of a doberman pinscher once, owned by a friend of mine, who had the most discusting low hanging goolies, ever did I see on a dog. This canine unfortunately for me, had a cold nose, and wanted to warm his cold nose on my goolies. Now, here I have this cold nose, with thrasher jaws beneath, on my most treasured possessions.

Telling the truth and telling a lie, I equate to this situation.

If you tell the truth, said doberman might just decide to have goolie sushi for a snack.

BUT, if you tell a lie, said doberman makes the visit most uncomfortable, by snoring on said goolies.

What did I do?

I gently grabbed the killer under the jaw, scratched his neck, cuz dogs like that, and moved his nose off of my goolies. Then barked ... "spielen gehen".

Sometimes misdirection is needed, but I will tell you, never lie. It benefits no'one.

Those that do lie, have dark secrets, and are apt to commit fraud, for the sake of their own skin. They are hiding their weakness. Never ever trust a liar! even those who "fib" or tell "white lies".

I can handle bad news, for then I know what's the correct direction to take. A fib, A lie, A prevarication of the facts?, I can not handle. So? I expect the same of a friend. A friend should be able to handle the truth, even if its an opinion. for most truths are just that, "an opinion".

Get into the habit of lying? and slowly you will enter into the dillusional world of complete confusion of "why is this happening to me?" =(

Because, once you are accustomed to lying? you will eventually lie to yourself, and what's worse than lying to yourself? believing the lies, that you've told yourself.

And Balaam? Man, just go offgrid, on your own, pay your dues and no more.

[Balaam]

what a great post

and to this vVv

And Balaam? Man, just go offgrid, on your own, pay your dues and no more.

i'm currently trying to design on glycol cooling system for my fermentation chamber using a solar pond pump, 2 - 20L canisters for heat exchangers, 2 -100L rain water collection barrels, a radiator from an 82 holden and a couple of solar attic fans... that'll be my first step off the grid

[ssfgrgawer]

Honesty is good, Im far too honest most of the time, Why? because im bad at remembering lies. Dont lie and its easyer to remember it.

I can honestly say it broke my heart when my parents told me santa didnt exist

But i wouldnt take knowing that truth over the lie any day, Chrismas day was always Magical, and happy occasion. Now its just another day When i have kids ill try and keep that magic alive for as long as possible. same as my parents did for me.

As for kicking jimmy in the Goolies, Depends on if jimmy deserved it. if jimmy's a brat, like 90% of kids in my town, They and their parents need a swift kick in the baby makers. (there parents for letting jimmy roam free at all hours of the night)

Oh and @ Khalee's haircut situation, Id have just said its horrible. But i olny have brothers, and they can get over it, that will teach them for getting a silly haircut

[SiphonXP]

The question should not be whether honesty is the best policy, but it should be is honestly the WORST policy? (how many policies there actually are, I'm not quite sure).

[Balaam]

The question should not be whether honesty is the best policy, but it should be is honestly the WORST policy? (how many policies there actually are, I'm not quite sure).

i understand you felt the need to post this but i have to ask you if this is actually an 'honest' post?

do you feel you'd be better served when you're lied to and treated like a mug?
do you feel that the best approach to dealing with situations is to "tell 'em what they want to hear"?

i ask seriously, because it seems a bit ridiculous to live that way... i struggle to maintain a certain amount of integrity and even though things aren't always black & white, the shades of grey don't have to be peppered with deception

as far as how many policies there are... meh... who knows?
however, i like most of the gibbs' rules
not all of them but here's a few to live by

rule# 3 don't believe what you're told, always check
rule# 8 never take anything for granted
rule# 18 it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission
rule# 23 never mess with my coffee (if you want to live)
rule# 36 if you feel like you're being played... you probably are
rule# 42 don't accept an apology from someone who just sucker punched you
rule# 45 clean up your messes

but my favourite is
rule# 51 sometimes you're wrong

[SiphonXP]

Most people in this world lie on a regular basis. People like to hear what they want to hear, and more often than not, it is dishonest.

90% of people want to be told they look good in those jeans, while the other 10% want the honest opinion, that they look fat.