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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha12 View Post
    I'm on Na 12 (old server)! You really think producing 6mil food per hour (having all farms) is gonna put a dent in my food bill? I have a negative 1billion/hour food bill! no amount of farms out there can produce that much! At least with sawmills and mines I can log on and my cities would have accumulated/produced resources that I can use...resources that my army can't burn through while I'm offline! with farms you have 0 surplus (which means you have nothing)
    If you have a 24 billion a day upkeep it doesn't much matter what you do smart@ss you are going to have issues with food no matter what you do. You have to farm 100 lvl 10's an hour/50 lvl 10's an hour with HNM (approx 1200 lvl 10's a day with HNM) just to break even.......would love to know how you manage that. My comparison was to the difference in price of resources in the market at the current state of na32 not your server. Playing with a 5 billion daily burn army I was able to to keep over 30+ billion food on hand at all times (farming for around an hour a day). Yup there was always plenty of food in my cities, but I'm not a guy who logs in and begs in AC for food because I built a massive army and can't sustain it. Much easier in my case to log in, sell the stockpile of food for anywhere 3-10x the cost of lumber and iron, then buy what I needed or spread out the couple billion of each in my war city to the cities that were lacking.

    If you feel it's better to sell something at a fraction of the cost of the resource you are in need of go right ahead. I prefer to capitalize on whatever is the most abundant and gains the largest profit. Whats the point of having such a massive army if you can't hold food to march troops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xTONYx View Post
    If you have a 24 billion a day upkeep it doesn't much matter what you do smart@ss you are going to have issues with food no matter what you do. You have to farm 100 lvl 10's an hour/50 lvl 10's an hour with HNM (approx 1200 lvl 10's a day with HNM) just to break even.......would love to know how you manage that. My comparison was to the difference in price of resources in the market at the current state of na32 not your server. Playing with a 5 billion daily burn army I was able to to keep over 30+ billion food on hand at all times (farming for around an hour a day). Yup there was always plenty of food in my cities, but I'm not a guy who logs in and begs in AC for food because I built a massive army and can't sustain it. Much easier in my case to log in, sell the stockpile of food for anywhere 3-10x the cost of lumber and iron, then buy what I needed or spread out the couple billion of each in my war city to the cities that were lacking.

    If you feel it's better to sell something at a fraction of the cost of the resource you are in need of go right ahead. I prefer to capitalize on whatever is the most abundant and gains the largest profit. Whats the point of having such a massive army if you can't hold food to march troops?
    so you farm 5 billion food in 1 hour.....? if you were talking age1 i would believe you but i know your talking age2 soooooooooo........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamble View Post
    so you farm 5 billion food in 1 hour.....? if you were talking age1 i would believe you but i know your talking age2 soooooooooo........
    Yup 1 hour that's what I said!

    2.5 billion after HNM.....build npc 10 fields by cities you don't ever plan on moving and it doesn't take very long. Some simple math for ya.....10 waves 10 cities 18 mil a pop is 1.8 billion. High poli mayors and farm fields with maxed lvl 10 lakes and food buff cover troop building expenses and whatever is left over. That doesn't cover the increased production available from high level HC's either. Sprinkle in a couple vesta's now and again along with the times Evony offers free upkeep and surplus rises.....not to mention bouncing trans waves off some red flag several times a month.
    Last edited by xTONYx; 08-17-2012 at 08:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xTONYx View Post
    If you have a 24 billion a day upkeep it doesn't much matter what you do smart@ss you are going to have issues with food no matter what you do. You have to farm 100 lvl 10's an hour/50 lvl 10's an hour with HNM (approx 1200 lvl 10's a day with HNM) just to break even.......would love to know how you manage that. My comparison was to the difference in price of resources in the market at the current state of na32 not your server. Playing with a 5 billion daily burn army I was able to to keep over 30+ billion food on hand at all times (farming for around an hour a day). Yup there was always plenty of food in my cities, but I'm not a guy who logs in and begs in AC for food because I built a massive army and can't sustain it. Much easier in my case to log in, sell the stockpile of food for anywhere 3-10x the cost of lumber and iron, then buy what I needed or spread out the couple billion of each in my war city to the cities that were lacking.

    If you feel it's better to sell something at a fraction of the cost of the resource you are in need of go right ahead. I prefer to capitalize on whatever is the most abundant and gains the largest profit. Whats the point of having such a massive army if you can't hold food to march troops?
    I have to defend Atl + 2 caps...a neg billion food bill is nothing. If I do have to march I have to use a vesta...

    I havent had to farm in 2 yrs running 0 food 24/7 and just full mills and mines...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xTONYx View Post
    Yup 1 hour that's what I said!

    2.5 billion after HNM.....build npc 10 fields by cities you don't ever plan on moving and it doesn't take very long. Some simple math for ya.....10 waves 10 cities 18 mil a pop is 1.8 billion. High poli mayors and farm fields with maxed lvl 10 lakes and food buff cover troop building expenses and whatever is left over. That doesn't cover the increased production available from high level HC's either. Sprinkle in a couple vesta's now and again along with the times Evony offers free upkeep and surplus rises.....not to mention bouncing trans waves off some red flag several times a month.
    10 waves X 10 cities X 3000 archers loss/per hit on a lvl 10= a loss of 300k archers per day! I have a 15 set and barely able to train 320k a day with full racks...that's why your food bill never goes up and your farms work. all that farming is a waste man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha12 View Post
    10 waves X 10 cities X 3000 archers loss/per hit on a lvl 10= a loss of 300k archers per day! I have a 15 set and barely able to train 320k a day with full racks...that's why your food bill never goes up and your farms work. all that farming is a waste man
    Idk what kind of layering you use but with a 14 set or better losses are rarely 3k.....15 set only able to que 320k arch? wow sorry to hear that, good thing you have Atlantis to draft arch with those kinds of numbers. You do realize that by demolishing the warehouses it allows you to fit more racks.

    Don't remember saying I farmed 10's with strictly archers every single day either....maybe I shake it up and farm 10's with warriors, or sprinkle in some 4's, 5's for no losses, and higher npc's with warrior drafts. Who's to say I don't have 400 well producing colonies also? If you feel like you need 24 billion upkeep to defend yourself more power to you but I don't believe in troop hoarding was just tossing my experiences into the thread before you came along.

    edit: 40 second archers with 190 racks is over 400k arch in a day so ya know...that's only with a 800 att hero
    Last edited by xTONYx; 08-17-2012 at 09:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xTONYx View Post
    Idk what kind of layering you use but with a 14 set or better losses are rarely 3k.....15 set only able to que 320k arch? wow sorry to hear that, good thing you have Atlantis to draft arch with those kinds of numbers. You do realize that by demolishing the warehouses it allows you to fit more racks.

    Don't remember saying I farmed 10's with strictly archers every single day either....maybe I shake it up and farm 10's with warriors, or sprinkle in some 4's, 5's for no losses, and higher npc's with warrior drafts. Who's to say I don't have 400 well producing colonies also? If you feel like you need 24 billion upkeep to defend yourself more power to you but I don't believe in troop hoarding was just tossing my experiences into the thread before you came along.

    edit: 40 second archers with 190 racks is over 400k arch in a day so ya know...that's only with a 800 att hero
    Wow dude, HOW MANY ARCHERS YOU TRAIN A DAY OR LOOSE PER HIT IS IRRELEVANT I was just throwing a number out there!! (what's the point of trainning "over 400k" if you're loosing 75 % of that farming?) I've seen you on the forum before going back and forth with ppl for no reason...never thought I'd be one of them!
    I'm trying to show u a way to build your army without EVER having to farm and you just keep arguing for NO reason!! So I'm just gonna explain a simple econ 101 concept to you: when you have a producer's surplus as you would with the production of lumber or Iron you can either store it in the market or sell it untill you need to cue etc...It's a cash cow!! Food is a depleting resource (you will never be able produce a surplus EVER) So at the end of the day you're not producing anything!! what we call a Dog. And with the amount of farming you would need to do in order to keep up with your cities/farms producing NOTHING is depleting your troop production to a point where you're never gonna get as far as you would otherwise!

    pls stop quoting my

    FYI you really think I got to where I am hording troops?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha12 View Post
    Wow dude, HOW MANY ARCHERS YOU TRAIN A DAY OR LOOSE PER HIT IS IRRELEVANT I was just throwing a number out there!! (what's the point of trainning "over 400k" if you're loosing 75 % of that farming?) I've seen you on the forum before going back and forth with ppl for no reason...never thought I'd be one of them!
    I'm trying to show u a way to build your army without EVER having to farm and you just keep arguing for NO reason!! So I'm just gonna explain a simple econ 101 concept to you: when you have a producer's surplus as you would with the production of lumber or Iron you can either store it in the market or sell it untill you need to cue etc...It's a cash cow!! Food is a depleting resource (you will never be able produce a surplus EVER) So at the end of the day you're not producing anything!! what we call a Dog. And with the amount of farming you would need to do in order to keep up with your cities/farms producing NOTHING is depleting your troop production to a point where you're never gonna get as far as you would otherwise!

    pls stop quoting my

    FYI you really think I got to where I am hording troops?!
    I voiced my theory on the current rate of resources in the market on a particular server.....you called me out for it. What do you expect? Troop production is very relevant in my explanation since you were the one who brought it up assuming I was killing off more than I could ever produce which isn't nearly the case. Congrats for where you are but if your going to interject and begin to knock how I play then idk what to tell ya. I appreciate your "teachings" of how to build an army but I manage to do just fine thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamble View Post
    so you farm 5 billion food in 1 hour.....? if you were talking age1 i would believe you but i know your talking age2 soooooooooo........
    Quote Originally Posted by xTONYx View Post
    Yup 1 hour that's what I said!

    2.5 billion after HNM.....build npc 10 fields by cities you don't ever plan on moving and it doesn't take very long. Some simple math for ya.....10 waves 10 cities 18 mil a pop is 1.8 billion. High poli mayors and farm fields with maxed lvl 10 lakes and food buff cover troop building expenses and whatever is left over. That doesn't cover the increased production available from high level HC's either. Sprinkle in a couple vesta's now and again along with the times Evony offers free upkeep and surplus rises.....not to mention bouncing trans waves off some red flag several times a month.
    its funny how people say , oh i have a 5/10/20 billion food burn an hour account but after HNM its half that......well wadya know...? HNM halfs upkeep.... and do tell when do you run your account with full upkeep..? never! so whatever your upkeep after HNM is basically your food burn an hour .

    Also....some simple math for ya....5 billion - 1.8 billion = 3.2 billion so you need to send about another 172 waves to achieve your 5 billion an hour target. oh yes i did notice you throw those other means of acquiring food in there, but you seem to have done that to cover your own mistaken boast. just come out and say it......"sorry....my bad, i farm more like 2 billion food an hour". rather than trying to make your argument come out on top.....AGAIN! honestly i don't recall seeing a more argumentative person on this forum, i have observed you always wanting to get the last word in. you absolutely will not stop until the person your arguing with ceases to post on the subject. i'll even lay money down that in less than 12 hours time i see this post quoted and you underneath stating how i got it all wrong and you are right in every way and blah blah blah blah.......

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