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    I have a serious question. I have played Evony for over 3 years, basically from the beginning. I quit recently to move to another game, but I enjoy following the forum and seeing the changes being made here.

    The biggest complaints are botting, multi-accounts, and lag.

    In my opinion, the botting is an easy issue to resolve, it can be detected and the account killed, not suspended, just removed. Bots ruined the game more than any single issue, becasue it is 24/7 production that led to these huge and crazy armies and massive heroes.

    Multi-accounts are tougher, because it is possible that several people play from the same house or apartment, but I think multi-accounting will die off alot if bots are gone. Mny players play multiple servers and they will not be able to have all those accounts spread out across many servers without a bot. Some guys might run a few accounts, and that is probably acceptable to most players.

    Lag is totally dependent on the ability of Evony to keep up. If the bots are gone completely, I think lag goes away too.

    Thoughts?

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    if bots are gone the lag will be gone because there will be 5 ppl playing the game left (including myself) *cough*
    Quote Originally Posted by acer5200 View Post
    PS: Mech wasn't trolling.

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    You hear it a lot that if the bots vanish so will the players. In all honesty if that's the case why bother to play at all? And who's going to suddenly throw the towel in after all the cash and time spent? Likewise about being banned, who wants to be for the same reasons.

    Multi-accounting is another problem, agreed. Although the one city accounts are no longer a problem. There are multi city accounts still around, if botting is stamped out I'll say that it'll be another issue removed. Two birds with one stone as the saying goes.

    With the vast stockpiles of res, that was mainly down to glitching rather than botting. Most will tell you that your farmers mostly come back half full if lucky. There are rumours of another resource glitch doing the rounds, I can't say for sure if that's true or not, we'll have to see.

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    I agree that a lot of people say the players will vanish if the bots go, but I disagree. I think some people will come back to the game if it was bot-free. Many of us miss the old days of actually playing the game, when hitting a 10 for 19 million of food was a huge coup that fed you all day, and allainces were made up up 100 actual players. When a huge army was 500-600K total troops because that's what could be fed manually. When a city could be attacked and battles fought without a bot endlessly comforting and making it useless to attack at all.

    These days it is very boring, I don't even know why people play.......I guess to amass huge stockpiles of resources they will never be able to use, giant armies that there intricate system of feeder-bots work 24/7 to support, or possibly just looking for the newest glitch to exploit.

    Servers die incredibly fast these days, with very little activity. Almost immediately the bot accounts take over huge areas.....again, with no real purpose except to do it.

    The idea of the game has become to build the biggest Bot Empire. This is where I think Evony can do the most good for change.

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    I believe you may have an idea there however you need to ask yourself why the bots came about in the first place. I have played this game for 3.5 years, and have farmed my account on average 8 to 12 hours a day just to feed an army that I am trying to compete with others.

    This is an unacceptable amount of time to put in and the mass majority of us that actually have things such as jobs, marriages, kids etc just don't have that kind of time to put in.

    So how do they continue to play a game that they enjoy but not have to put in so many hours a day into? Well there you have it.

    I only manage it with great difficulty and I contemplate more and more leaving the game, NOT because of the botters, NOT because of the lag but because of the farming.

    Without the bots people WILL leave and not because they cannot have big armies, not because they cannot have trillions of res but simply because they don't have the hours required to farm their accounts.

    If Evony wanted to be a fully fledged war game, they would bring down the need to farm to a sensible level and make it easier for people to do what they want to do and that is to war.

    A simple thing like this will eliminate the need to bot, and if I am to believe the previous posts here the lag as well. People would actually war rather than as someone said earlier in this thread see what they can amass in resources and troops. The wars would be become more frequent and more people would actually get to have some fun. As the wars intensified so would the money being fed to Evony to make things just that little bit easier, then money is available to create new things for the game, is it just me or would everyone win?

    I don't mind the idea of a certain amount of resource gathering but what is expected here is unrealistic and has become more of a chore, and people do not play a game for it to become a chore.

    So before you all start pointing fingers at botters, multi accounters, (which in principal I understand and agree with many here), start looking at the intrinsic design of the game. There is in this world always cause and effect, because the heavy toll of farming bots are used, multi-accounts are created, wars are infrequent at best, and most servers suffer from lag.

    The botters and multi-accounters are the symptoms, you may find that the need for farming is the disease. Evony needs to decide whether it is a farmville like game or a war game and stick to whichever it chooses. This inbetween is not working for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay View Post
    You hear it a lot that if the bots vanish so will the players. In all honesty if that's the case why bother to play at all? And who's going to suddenly throw the towel in after all the cash and time spent? Likewise about being banned, who wants to be for the same reasons.
    Well, if you want to examine that issue honestly, then you need to answer the question "why do people bot?"

    On Age 1 I think it is principally upkeep for major war cities.

    On Age 2 I think it is principally for comforting on HCs.


    I believe Evony knows who and who doesn't bot. If they don't, they don't have a competent network admin.

    Thus, if they know who bots and they choose to "lightly" enforce the rules with selective bans based on some unpublished criteria as to what they consider 'bot abuse', then clearly they are making a business decision, which, undoubtedly IMHO, is related to finances.

    If they don't know who bots, then they're simply incompetent business managers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TentPig View Post
    Well, if you want to examine that issue honestly, then you need to answer the question "why do people bot?"

    On Age 1 I think it is principally upkeep for major war cities.

    On Age 2 I think it is principally for comforting on HCs.


    I believe Evony knows who and who doesn't bot. If they don't, they don't have a competent network admin.

    Thus, if they know who bots and they choose to "lightly" enforce the rules with selective bans based on some unpublished criteria as to what they consider 'bot abuse', then clearly they are making a business decision, which, undoubtedly IMHO, is related to finances.

    If they don't know who bots, then they're simply incompetent business managers.
    or there some realy good bot programs haha

    Fun way to annoy your enemys
    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=184752

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Brown View Post
    I agree that a lot of people say the players will vanish if the bots go, but I disagree. I think some people will come back to the game if it was bot-free. Many of us miss the old days of actually playing the game, when hitting a 10 for 19 million of food was a huge coup that fed you all day, and allainces were made up up 100 actual players. When a huge army was 500-600K total troops because that's what could be fed manually. When a city could be attacked and battles fought without a bot endlessly comforting and making it useless to attack at all.
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    Those days are gone, its only veterans playing now, no new players are drawn to the game, and that's not the fault of bots or whatever but purely evony's
    They did not keep the game updated and with the launch of age2 no new players were directed to age1 at all.

    The veterans still playing really will never ever return to manual farming. They are crazy for still spending on this game but they are not that crazy, after 3 years of playing people will need to have some sort of private life.

    Always looking back at how it was is pointless, how much i would like to live in the 60thies its just not possible. There is still a lot of fun to get out the game but not by listening to whiners like you always complaining about things, adapt or die, you chose death, i respect that but don't bore us with your bad solutions to OUR "problems"

    What the game really needs is new development (not the tweaking evony is doing without any understanding of the game) new features and improvements. New branding and new players drawn to the game.

    Its not going to happen since its just being milked for cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entoverse View Post
    Those days are gone, its only veterans playing now, no new players are drawn to the game, and that's not the fault of bots or whatever but purely evony's
    They did not keep the game updated and with the launch of age2 no new players were directed to age1 at all.

    The veterans still playing really will never ever return to manual farming. They are crazy for still spending on this game but they are not that crazy, after 3 years of playing people will need to have some sort of private life.

    Always looking back at how it was is pointless, how much i would like to live in the 60thies its just not possible. There is still a lot of fun to get out the game but not by listening to whiners like you always complaining about things, adapt or die, you chose death, i respect that but don't bore us with your bad solutions to OUR "problems"

    What the game really needs is new development (not the tweaking evony is doing without any understanding of the game) new features and improvements. New branding and new players drawn to the game.

    Its not going to happen since its just being milked for cash.
    Your post seems to contradict itself.....you admit the game is dieing, but don't think it needs fixed?

    And how exactly are you going to bring new people to the Age 1 game? It is a game dominated by botters......people who play online games don't want to come into a game that is 24/7 botting, they want to PLAY. It isn't play if all you do is run a bot to gather resources and build things. I did that for years, and it got boring quickly.

    If Evony is going to get new people into the game, it apparently won't be through Age 1. I'm not sure at this point how they can fix it and keep the base happy, who are probably a few hundred heavy coining botters at this point.

    Maybe the best thing is just to leave Age 1 as is, merge the servers until there are only 6-10 of them, and let it stay that way, where endless fields of level 10 NPCs are farmed by massive armies of 100 million archers and run by bots all day. Kind of a reverse Matrix of sorts.

    And just so you know, whining is not the object here, I am presenting possible solutions to a problem. Evony needs to hear these things, the cusomers to worry about are the thousands that just walk away without a word because of the problems.

    I spent hundreds of dollars and thousands of hours here, I think I am entitled to express my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Brown View Post
    Your post seems to contradict itself.....you admit the game is dieing, but don't think it needs fixed?

    And how exactly are you going to bring new people to the Age 1 game? It is a game dominated by botters......people who play online games don't want to come into a game that is 24/7 botting, they want to PLAY. It isn't play if all you do is run a bot to gather resources and build things. I did that for years, and it got boring quickly.

    If Evony is going to get new people into the game, it apparently won't be through Age 1. I'm not sure at this point how they can fix it and keep the base happy, who are probably a few hundred heavy coining botters at this point.

    Maybe the best thing is just to leave Age 1 as is, merge the servers until there are only 6-10 of them, and let it stay that way, where endless fields of level 10 NPCs are farmed by massive armies of 100 million archers and run by bots all day. Kind of a reverse Matrix of sorts.

    And just so you know, whining is not the object here, I am presenting possible solutions to a problem. Evony needs to hear these things, the cusomers to worry about are the thousands that just walk away without a word because of the problems.

    I spent hundreds of dollars and thousands of hours here, I think I am entitled to express my thoughts.
    Hmmmm... 100 mil archers all you got? What server are you on, hope it isnt mine...

    Hundreds of dollars and thousands of hours? Do you only play a few hours a day?


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