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    Hiya,

    I was hoping for opinions about the guide written here:

    http://valiant-alliance.forumotion.n...the-jaq-attack

    Is there anything in this guide you'd change or add to? E.g.:

    1) Is his method for removing layers effective?
    2) How would you remove layers in a city with lots of ballista and catapults?
    3) Anything else he hasn't mentioned?

    And last but not least, when attacking a city with large amounts of every troop, are there any alternatives to the layer-removing followed by Jaq attack?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf View Post
    Hiya,

    I was hoping for opinions about the guide written here:

    http://valiant-alliance.forumotion.n...the-jaq-attack

    Is there anything in this guide you'd change or add to? E.g.:

    1) Is his method for removing layers effective?
    2) How would you remove layers in a city with lots of ballista and catapults?
    3) Anything else he hasn't mentioned?

    And last but not least, when attacking a city with large amounts of every troop, are there any alternatives to the layer-removing followed by Jaq attack?

    Thanks
    @ question 2. If you read the whole thread you would know a true jaq isn't possible with balls/pults.

    You don't need to remove layers when using a true jaq. That's the entire purpose of using one. Kill range before layers.

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    Now, In a normal cav/phract smack there are multiple ways to remove layers.

    Some people say rams. Some say phracts. Both are correct answers.

    You can remove cav/phracts on the defense with layered pike waves, they are surprisingly effective.

    Pikes/swords can be removed with pike waves/sword waves as well, albeit at slower pace than removing the horses.

    works/wars won't even need to be removed in certain cases, but when you need to kill them cav will do fine. (or more pike bombs if you want)

    These were methods of removing layers when the defense was ALREADY a CD.

    There are a lot of different defensive setups, so its hard to answer all of these questions accurately.

    If the defense is in a 5.2k setup (traps/abatis/trebs present) the easiest way to remove layers is mechs or archer RBs depending on your troop levels.

    Unless there are fewer than 500 of each range setter, it would probably be quicker and easier to just use hammers or mechs to kill the defense.

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    Those things being said, I'll go ahead and say this: 95% of the time it is going to be FAR easier to just use mechs.

    Steps for fighting a standard 5.2k defense with mechs: send Mech waves untill only balls/pults left on defense, Scout bomb, hammer for cleanup. Simple, can be done with timed waves in 2-5 seconds.

    To fight a 5.2k with a cav smack/jaq would take far longer as you have to spam out range setters, half an hour at the least.

    Steps to fight a CD with mechs: Mech once. Mech it again. Mech it some more. Mech it until you get a blue line. Easy.

    To do so with a cav smack, once again far more time consuming. You have to take out layers, one group at a time. Then set up the smacks.

    EDIT: Just realized this was in the age2 thread, so not entirely sure anything I posted as far as clearing layers is applicable to age2 with its weird leadership/star level business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf View Post
    Hiya,

    I was hoping for opinions about the guide written here:

    http://valiant-alliance.forumotion.n...the-jaq-attack

    Is there anything in this guide you'd change or add to? E.g.:

    1) Is his method for removing layers effective?
    2) How would you remove layers in a city with lots of ballista and catapults?
    3) Anything else he hasn't mentioned?

    And last but not least, when attacking a city with large amounts of every troop, are there any alternatives to the layer-removing followed by Jaq attack?

    Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by cushseth View Post
    @ question 2. If you read the whole thread you would know a true jaq isn't possible with balls/pults.

    You don't need to remove layers when using a true jaq. That's the entire purpose of using one. Kill range before layers.

    ----------------------------

    Now, In a normal cav/phract smack there are multiple ways to remove layers.

    Some people say rams. Some say phracts. Both are correct answers.

    You can remove cav/phracts on the defense with layered pike waves, they are surprisingly effective.

    Pikes/swords can be removed with pike waves/sword waves as well, albeit at slower pace than removing the horses.

    works/wars won't even need to be removed in certain cases, but when you need to kill them cav will do fine. (or more pike bombs if you want)

    These were methods of removing layers when the defense was ALREADY a CD.

    There are a lot of different defensive setups, so its hard to answer all of these questions accurately.

    If the defense is in a 5.2k setup (traps/abatis/trebs present) the easiest way to remove layers is mechs or archer RBs depending on your troop levels.

    Unless there are fewer than 500 of each range setter, it would probably be quicker and easier to just use hammers or mechs to kill the defense.

    ------------------------------------------------

    Those things being said, I'll go ahead and say this: 95% of the time it is going to be FAR easier to just use mechs.

    Steps for fighting a standard 5.2k defense with mechs: send Mech waves untill only balls/pults left on defense, Scout bomb, hammer for cleanup. Simple, can be done with timed waves in 2-5 seconds.

    To fight a 5.2k with a cav smack/jaq would take far longer as you have to spam out range setters, half an hour at the least.

    Steps to fight a CD with mechs: Mech once. Mech it again. Mech it some more. Mech it until you get a blue line. Easy.

    To do so with a cav smack, once again far more time consuming. You have to take out layers, one group at a time. Then set up the smacks.

    EDIT: Just realized this was in the age2 thread, so not entirely sure anything I posted as far as clearing layers is applicable to age2 with its weird leadership/star level business.
    what he said applies in some cases, layer clearing in a compact defence isnt really that effective in age 2 due to the 1% rule(where if a troop stack kills another troop type stack with less than 1% of its total attack power, it moves on to another unit in the same round).

    what this means is if someone has a large bally/pult/archer count in their cd with lots of layers, clearing the layers would be extremely difficult and costly because youd have to thicken the layers a lot to survive a round thus reducing the size of the main body of the wave.

    i would only layer clear a compact if the layer count was small and then phractsmack, if the ranged count is small id put a ram wave through it


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    jaqs don't work anymore because you kinda have enough time to set up the city clearing layers and walls

    that means you need time when the player is off line
    not too sure you're gonna find an off line player post 2010
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balaam View Post
    jaqs don't work anymore because you kinda have enough time to set up the city clearing layers and walls

    that means you need time when the player is off line
    not too sure you're gonna find an off line player post 2010
    lol youd be surprised, it happens, just not as often as the good aul days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Balaam View Post
    jaqs don't work anymore because you kinda have enough time to set up the city clearing layers and walls

    that means you need time when the player is off line
    not too sure you're gonna find an off line player post 2010
    They work perfectly fine. They may not be easy to land, but then work fine.
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    Thanks everyone!

    So why are inactives harder to find?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmf View Post
    Thanks everyone!

    So why are inactives harder to find?
    Bots, account sharing, midgets playing chess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cushseth View Post
    They work perfectly fine. They may not be easy to land, but then work fine.
    i stand corrected
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