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    im gonna reply with my two cents here and say everyone is wrong botting and multi accounting are not the issues. all this has to do with lack of evony customer support and the fact they have no real techs working for them. i'll be the first to admit that the botting has gotten bad over the years but that was due to evony not listening to the players. if you's you read up on other threads you will see other people talking about what i just said for a few years now. The lag has been here way before the botting started. and you want evony to just take away the resourses lol thats funny. you must really want evony to drive away there money. We have been giving evony ideas for years about increasing the res you get from npc and the regen time of the npc but they did not want to listen. Evony makes to much money and they don't like spending it. all this can be solved if evony took all the servers they quote on quote upgraded to stronger machines witch was not the case ALOT of servers were downgraded to waeker systems to make room for tynon. all evony has to do is buy better machines and spend some money on the server site thats hosting them for more space. everyone keeps complaining about this issue just cause there mad at a bigger player who keeps hitting them. evony has other real game issues to take care of. evony stopped caring about the real issues with the game. and ROFL your nuts to wanna take away the res.



    Quote Originally Posted by Naiven View Post
    This will not eliminate the bot advantages in battle, but would eliminate the claims of only using them for farming and menial tasks so eliminate many of the claims that they need to stay:

    1) Realistic cap on resources in a city. I would suggest a base amount each city can hold, plus the production limit of the city. Say, 10 million for food, and 1 mil for other resources times the level of the town hall. So, a level 1 city could only hold 10M food + production, a level 10 could hold 100M+ or about 150M if it was full level 10 farm field. Any other resources in the city simply poof. This eliminates all massive armies to starvation without a constant influx of food and they ability to build them again.

    2) Hitting an NPC yields no resources, no hero experience. The only point of hitting an npc becomes to capture it. All npc farming ends. If too much whining follows, fine, reduce the returns from NPC farming by a factor of 10.

    3) If you do not like #2, OK, increase the range and power of defenses on NPC's such that a level 5 NPC kills more incoming ballista of any level of techs than the food and resource value returned so that farming them for food is simply uneconomical. Same with all other NPC's. NPC's already operate under different battle mechanics than players, this could be done without affecting PvP battle mechanics. Ideas would be like start the battle at 10k paces instead of 5k, double the range and killing power of wall defenses, double the power and life of NPC troops, etc.

    4) If an NPC is driven to loyalty 0 by an account with no free city slots, poof it.

    5) If a valley if hit more than say 10 times in 1 minute, or some other arbitrary measure, it is being medal farmed by a bot. Drop its level to 1. No more constant medal farming by bots.

    6) With the inability to store mass amounts of resources, comforting would need to be changed back to realistic numbers, not numbers which can only be supported by botting.

    7) I would support at least doubling resource production by city resource fields, maybe more.

    8) Eliminate the market transactions at 0.01 meaning market price which caters to bots.

    That would, at the very least, kill most of the justification for bots. It would not eliminate them, but kill the justification arguments.

    Killing battle advantages is not as easy, but areas that can easily be used to detect that the bots are in use are the speed at which troops heal. The speed at which returning troops are re-launched. The ability to launch camp time coordinated waves more rapidly than is possible in the legal interface. The ability to post transactions to market faster than possible in the legal interface. Repeated posting and canceling orders from market. Daily changes of market max transactions sizes in the client, that is change it tomorrow from 99,999,999 to 9,999,979 and if a larger transaction comes through, it is a bot. Those are a few simple detection methods, not ways to discourage and evony would need to actually evaluate the data and make the call on punishment. Frankly, you should be able to run scans of you logs and simply see it though.

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    Yep, try again with the same old justifications. Some of us can actually do math though. 400k archers is 3.6m upkeep per hour. Add reasonable layers, that is 5mil an hour, 120m a day. On a server that 5's are not hit every 15 minutes that is easily maintained without farming like crazy. But you want your precious 10 bil per day burn and 50 accounts to keep it going.

    Capped a 5 the other day to port it out and to get at a target. There were 12 farming teams headed at it. But no, bots are not the problem.

    Keep making your claims all you want, hopefully for the first time in 5 years Evony is serious and will bust the bots. Some non-programmers out there might buy some of the claims several of you are throwing out there, but I did database programming and network communication testing for 25 years, so you just keep fooling your little followers.

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    Lol the only people that complain about bots are the botters that feel like there getting screwed cause they get hit by a bigger player or can't kill a bigger player. what your talking about is taking away resources lol and thinking that would level the playing field. lets take away the bots for a sec here ok let's go back to when there was no bots ok.

    1) the farming: ALOT of people being that they had a life outside of evony could not farm npc all day to make res. cause just to hit the closest lev 5 was a 1.5 hour round trip ok.

    2) troop building: People could not build troops to defend there cities. why? cause of no res. why? cause they could not farm all day.

    3 city building: took to long to make one city into a 10. why? cause at same time you needed the res to make troops to defend the city and you. so it was taking time.

    4) loosing a city: Everyone got fed up of busting there azz to make a lev 10 city just to log out to go to work or school just to come home and find 1+ cities missing cause you were not around to defend them.

    Things we pitched to evony and they said NOPE:

    1) increase the return amount you get from lev 5 npc and increase the regen rate by half so we can make some res to build. they said NOPE

    2) can you make a way that a city can go into protection at a certin loyalty so we don't loose cities wile we are logged off. they said NOPE

    3) can you decrease the build timer for troops and building's so we can get built up quick. they said NOPE

    4) we asked if they can make there own form of a bot that just dose farming and defending and nothing more. they said NOPE

    Did eveony let the botting get out of hand yes they did. can they do something about now NOPE. more then 99% of people that play evony bot. and i don't wanna here "oh i don't bot" yes you do and prolly multi account also.

    See before botting alot of us pitched some really good ideas at evony on how to make the game even more playable. and they did not wanna have it.
    So what happen is a really smart person said *** it i'll just make a healper. the bots are ment to farm and help protect whats ares and keep us alive. Bots are not bad people think you can't beat a bot. lol you can i capped 8 cities this week that were all on bot and took ALOT of res. Alot of people don't even farm anymore they just hit reds it's alot more fun that way.

    Like i said on other threads about this issues everyone needs to stop complaining cause complaining is what ruins games like this. Trust me i know i can't mention another game on here but i saw one of the hottest hardcore game that cost 14.99 a month to play witch was well worth it turn into a joke. So bad that everyone was leaveing so just to get players back they offer a free version with less perks. And thats what is gonna happen with evony. evony has real game issues to worry about they don't need to worry about complaints from cry babies.




    Quote Originally Posted by Naiven View Post
    Yep, try again with the same old justifications. Some of us can actually do math though. 400k archers is 3.6m upkeep per hour. Add reasonable layers, that is 5mil an hour, 120m a day. On a server that 5's are not hit every 15 minutes that is easily maintained without farming like crazy. But you want your precious 10 bil per day burn and 50 accounts to keep it going.

    Capped a 5 the other day to port it out and to get at a target. There were 12 farming teams headed at it. But no, bots are not the problem.

    Keep making your claims all you want, hopefully for the first time in 5 years Evony is serious and will bust the bots. Some non-programmers out there might buy some of the claims several of you are throwing out there, but I did database programming and network communication testing for 25 years, so you just keep fooling your little followers.

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    So, since you did not want to play the game the way it was designed, and your ego could take it, you ruined the game for others by cheating. Write and publish your own game and quit justifying writing, publishing, and promoting your bots to cheat on other people's games.

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    lol you have issues man. no one is promoting anything. and don't act like you don't bot lol. just saying what everyone els has been saying that bot's are not the issue here that the Lag has been here way before botting. and that the resource problem was her way before botting. everything that happens in evony is not always caused by botting it's also a lack of evony CS.


    Quote Originally Posted by Naiven View Post
    So, since you did not want to play the game the way it was designed, and your ego could take it, you ruined the game for others by cheating. Write and publish your own game and quit justifying writing, publishing, and promoting your bots to cheat on other people's games.
    Last edited by BigRat; 03-02-2014 at 06:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naiven View Post
    Yep, try again with the same old justifications. Some of us can actually do math though. 400k archers is 3.6m upkeep per hour. Add reasonable layers, that is 5mil an hour, 120m a day. On a server that 5's are not hit every 15 minutes that is easily maintained without farming like crazy. But you want your precious 10 bil per day burn and 50 accounts to keep it going.

    Capped a 5 the other day to port it out and to get at a target. There were 12 farming teams headed at it. But no, bots are not the problem.

    Keep making your claims all you want, hopefully for the first time in 5 years Evony is serious and will bust the bots. Some non-programmers out there might buy some of the claims several of you are throwing out there, but I did database programming and network communication testing for 25 years, so you just keep fooling your little followers.
    You seem like a very angry person, relax it's just a game. In response, the original post said to remove npc farming in order to remove the need for bots. Our/my response was that if you remove npc farming we won't be able to feed even 400k archers/layers.

    Yes you're correct you can easily feed 400k archers/layers on npc5s by smacking them a few times a day manually. But if they're removed or the res inside them is removed... smacking them won't do you any good. You cannot feed 400k archers/layers on what 40 farms built in your city can produce. Nor can you feed mechs at all. Nor can you afford to march your 400k archers across the map via reinforce.

    I don't have a 10bil upkeep. I've never had a 10bil upkeep. I never want a 10bil upkeep.
    I don't have 50 accounts. I've never had 50 accounts. I never want 50 accounts.

    Evony will kill their game if they "bust the bots". I ranted and railed against bots for a very long time. It didn't do any good. It's a bit too late now to try because no one that has botted will ever go back to manual farming again.... and the vast majority of their players have botted and still bot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuros View Post

    Evony will kill their game if they "bust the bots". I ranted and railed against bots for a very long time. It didn't do any good. It's a bit too late now to try because no one that has botted will ever go back to manual farming again.... and the vast majority of their players have botted and still bot.
    Not true. Most players I have spoke with about this that bot say they would prefer not to use them. They only bot because it is the only way to keep up. Many old school players say they will come back if the game is rid of bots.

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    lol there are more then 97% botters in evony and 3% that don't wanna admit it. evony realized they can't due away with the botting due to the fact they will drive away the money. cause come on before botting there was no playing evony. just like me i was upset alot knowing that it takes over a month to build 1 city from scratch then almost a month to build somewhat a decent army just to come home from work and find eather the city trashed or capped. and the fact that you can only farm a few time aday unless your a person with no life. like i said before we back then before bots came into play suggested things to evony that would help and make evony even more playable and evony answer to everything was NOPE. so someone weather it was then or now was gonna make a bot. so everyone just needs to deal with it and stop the complaints.


    Quote Originally Posted by lifesabreeze View Post
    Not true. Most players I have spoke with about this that bot say they would prefer not to use them. They only bot because it is the only way to keep up. Many old school players say they will come back if the game is rid of bots.

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    I dropped more coin prior to bots than i did once i started using them. There was no need to coin anymore when you have bots and alts. There are many that feel the same as I do, and would coin again if bots and alts were stopped.

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    lol thats nice but there are WAY more people that spend hundreds of dollars cause of botting there able to play the game i know people that monthly spend one or two hundred dollars on coins and even more during promotions even me just to buy silver keys. evony is a business first then a game. now if evony was free for ever like the title says then they would be game first. you always have to do whats rite for business.



    Quote Originally Posted by lifesabreeze View Post
    I dropped more coin prior to bots than i did once i started using them. There was no need to coin anymore when you have bots and alts. There are many that feel the same as I do, and would coin again if bots and alts were stopped.

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