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    Quote Originally Posted by Naiven View Post
    This will not eliminate the bot advantages in battle, but would eliminate the claims of only using them for farming and menial tasks so eliminate many of the claims that they need to stay:

    1) Realistic cap on resources in a city. I would suggest a base amount each city can hold, plus the production limit of the city. Say, 10 million for food, and 1 mil for other resources times the level of the town hall. So, a level 1 city could only hold 10M food + production, a level 10 could hold 100M+ or about 150M if it was full level 10 farm field. Any other resources in the city simply poof. This eliminates all massive armies to starvation without a constant influx of food and they ability to build them again.

    2) Hitting an NPC yields no resources, no hero experience. The only point of hitting an npc becomes to capture it. All npc farming ends. If too much whining follows, fine, reduce the returns from NPC farming by a factor of 10.

    3) If you do not like #2, OK, increase the range and power of defenses on NPC's such that a level 5 NPC kills more incoming ballista of any level of techs than the food and resource value returned so that farming them for food is simply uneconomical. Same with all other NPC's. NPC's already operate under different battle mechanics than players, this could be done without affecting PvP battle mechanics. Ideas would be like start the battle at 10k paces instead of 5k, double the range and killing power of wall defenses, double the power and life of NPC troops, etc.

    4) If an NPC is driven to loyalty 0 by an account with no free city slots, poof it.

    5) If a valley if hit more than say 10 times in 1 minute, or some other arbitrary measure, it is being medal farmed by a bot. Drop its level to 1. No more constant medal farming by bots.

    6) With the inability to store mass amounts of resources, comforting would need to be changed back to realistic numbers, not numbers which can only be supported by botting.

    7) I would support at least doubling resource production by city resource fields, maybe more.

    8) Eliminate the market transactions at 0.01 meaning market price which caters to bots.

    That would, at the very least, kill most of the justification for bots. It would not eliminate them, but kill the justification arguments.

    Killing battle advantages is not as easy, but areas that can easily be used to detect that the bots are in use are the speed at which troops heal. The speed at which returning troops are re-launched. The ability to launch camp time coordinated waves more rapidly than is possible in the legal interface. The ability to post transactions to market faster than possible in the legal interface. Repeated posting and canceling orders from market. Daily changes of market max transactions sizes in the client, that is change it tomorrow from 99,999,999 to 9,999,979 and if a larger transaction comes through, it is a bot. Those are a few simple detection methods, not ways to discourage and evony would need to actually evaluate the data and make the call on punishment. Frankly, you should be able to run scans of you logs and simply see it though.
    After the first paragraph of this post it is obvious that some people should not be permitted to breed.

    Why are you are you starting a new thread regurgitating the same failed ideas that only hurt small player and would increase botting and multi accounting when there is already a thread explaining why your ideas are thoughtless and ineffective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRat View Post
    lol thats nice but there are WAY more people that spend hundreds of dollars cause of botting there able to play the game i know people that monthly spend one or two hundred dollars on coins and even more during promotions even me just to buy silver keys. evony is a business first then a game. now if evony was free for ever like the title says then they would be game first. you always have to do whats rite for business.
    and in my circle of game players there are "way more" players that would return and drop 5k a year into the game if bots and alts were gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifesabreeze View Post
    and in my circle of game players there are "way more" players that would return and drop 5k a year into the game if bots and alts were gone.
    A whole 5k a year? I hate to break this to you, but I know people that drop 5k in a day... and they bot. The coiners that drop $500 to 1k each every single new server that opens, they all bot. The entire top 10 hell.. the entire top 20.. on any server new or old is botting. Those are also the more active coiners. I seriously don't know a single person that doesn't bot, and I have hundreds of evony contacts on Skype.

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    LMFBO geesh Evony can't even spell the company name correctly for a promo mail

    Since when is Evony spelled Eovny


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    You think they can fix this game good luck with that
    Last edited by DevineDev; 03-05-2014 at 12:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifesabreeze View Post
    Not true. Most players I have spoke with about this that bot say they would prefer not to use them. They only bot because it is the only way to keep up. Many old school players say they will come back if the game is rid of bots.
    No one is going to manually farm. No one is going to come back to the game (1 person might come back for every 100 that throw their hands up and say forget it). This whole convo is a waste of time as evony has already said it is going to allow botting. Lets stop wasting time with nonsense. The time to ban botting and multi accounting was at each instance. Evony knows whenever someone logs in with a bot and they know when more than one account is being logged on the same ip. They didn't do it because a significant number was doing it and it would have hurt their bottom line so they let it go. So lets all shut up about ending botting. Its not gonna happen because they would have done it already and they already stated outright they are not going to stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlSeeksGirl View Post
    No one is going to manually farm. No one is going to come back to the game (1 person might come back for every 100 that throw their hands up and say forget it). This whole convo is a waste of time as evony has already said it is going to allow botting. Lets stop wasting time with nonsense. The time to ban botting and multi accounting was at each instance. Evony knows whenever someone logs in with a bot and they know when more than one account is being logged on the same ip. They didn't do it because a significant number was doing it and it would have hurt their bottom line so they let it go. So lets all shut up about ending botting. Its not gonna happen because they would have done it already and they already stated outright they are not going to stop it.

    where did they say this the last I herd they were going to make it where botting does not give an advantage I think you better do some more reading because from everything I know the game is going to change a lot cant wait to see how this comes out.
    Zipzag/host of Wardens na19

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    lol DAWNSEEKER said so in a thread that's closed now. last time im gonna say this botters are 99.9999999% of evony income lol. evony is a business first and a game second. any smart business person always dose whats rite for business weather some people agree with it or not. i would like to see people try and manual farm anyone with a life can't do that. unless your old and retired, or a school drop out or somone playing in there grandmothers basement wile watching ****. people who work 8-16 hours a day can kiss there evony days good bye if they have to manual farm. im sure i speak for ALOT of people for what im about to say. botting make evony even more playable im able to build troops spend money on coins so i can open chest for war ports and go out and attack for days. and have fun. thats the point of the game is to make troops kill them and remake them and have fun doing it. so just deal with the botting i had to i was one of you;s coming and complaining everyday but you know what if you can't beat them join them.


    Quote Originally Posted by zipzag View Post
    where did they say this the last I herd they were going to make it where botting does not give an advantage I think you better do some more reading because from everything I know the game is going to change a lot cant wait to see how this comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRat View Post
    lol DAWNSEEKER said so in a thread that's closed now. last time im gonna say this botters are 99.9999999% of evony income lol. evony is a business first and a game second. any smart business person always dose whats rite for business weather some people agree with it or not. i would like to see people try and manual farm anyone with a life can't do that. unless your old and retired, or a school drop out or somone playing in there grandmothers basement wile watching ****. people who work 8-16 hours a day can kiss there evony days good bye if they have to manual farm. im sure i speak for ALOT of people for what im about to say. botting make evony even more playable im able to build troops spend money on coins so i can open chest for war ports and go out and attack for days. and have fun. thats the point of the game is to make troops kill them and remake them and have fun doing it. so just deal with the botting i had to i was one of you;s coming and complaining everyday but you know what if you can't beat them join them.
    this was the last update

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    We are looking at changes right now that take away the advantage of having bots.
    and for a lot of people the game is getting boreing a lot of it is because of the bots and yes I bot just like everyone eles it is hard to find an active alliance most alliances die with in the first week and it is just bots end up playing the game not people so what is the point of playing lol

    and on 183 I am not botting it is real interesting but so far do able a lot of work though lol but I think that is part of the game
    Zipzag/host of Wardens na19

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    Ya know, I was host of an alliance through multiple merges that ended up as ss60. My alliance didn't allow botting, no kidding. Back on 78 where we originally started ev0b0t was discovered by a member, and 4 in the ally tried it out. After a couple weeks all using it were suspended 3 days. All but one learned their lesson there and stopped using it, the 4th guy kept using it, and 1 more week later he was permanently banned. As host I said hell no, this isn't acceptable. No one is allowed to use bots because I don't wanna lose my hitters.

    Anytime I suspected someone of botting, they were gone. We kept like this for a very long time, right up until almost before the ss60 merge where the battle was lost utterly against bots and I gave up trying to prevent my members from using it.

    But.. during that time, we're talking a year and a half here, every single member of mine that quit the game did not quit because they were bored with the game. They did not quit because they didn't like the server or alliance. They quit because they no longer had enough time to maintain their accounts. They could no longer handle the stress of 3-4am alarm clock calls to get up and farm. Their wives could no longer allow their husbands to spend every waking moment between getting off work and going to bed at the computer farming to feed troops. Their children could no longer stand to watch mommy or daddy farming instead of watching cartoons with them. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

    Don't even try to say more people would come back if bots were gone. Because it's BS. The lack of bots cost this game thousands of players in it's heyday because the farming is unreasonable.
    Last edited by Ailuros; 03-06-2014 at 05:39 PM.

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    last I heard was Dawnseeker saying they were going to give a 12hr lock out and open the gates on the account for the 12hrs. Sounds like they are serious this time. They will get many customers back. Coining customers. Since I went to bots and alts I have had no reason to coin. That is the major reason players bot is because they can't coin. It got too boring to play though. It is too easy to defend and too easy to have massive armies. There is no gameplay left in the game. I have been in top alliances who ruled the servers. One person can now run a whole alliance all botted up. boring

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