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    Hwdy, noticed since you guys patched how the battle system works, my archers are dying in ridiculous numbers in ridiculous circumstances

    battle4.evony.com/default.html?logfile/7d/2d/b9/04/7d2db90484fedbc08123d0cc6918c24e.xml

    that battle report for example, some how cav found their way around almost 10k warriors, and over 1k pike (without even doing battle with the pike 0 losses there) and killed half my archers...

    now in the text box it says pikes are specifically good at fighting cav... yet my pikes and their cav didn't even meet... instead my archers who would've been stationed on a hill somewhere away from the battle field get killed first?

    maybe my pikes were on a smoke break, idk.

    just that if you're gonna make it so easy to loose archers, shouldn't they get a faster build time? takes hrs to build a respectable archer unit... days to really do it right... then you loose have your attacking force on something that doesn't have towers, or archers, yet the enemy infantry somehow walks around your infantry and kills your archers?????

    please develop responsibly

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    *yawn*

    Please read around the forums before venting. I can't actually read your report but I get the gist of it. I'm willing to bet you attacked a level 8+ valley and their level 8+ tech cav bowled into your lines and pwnt you. Yes? Yes.

    This is nothing new, horses have always rode full clip to hit archers as hard and fast as possible. That's possibly the only thing they even do. Archers do not take that long to build, 1min with a decent hero, while horses take roughly twice as long? (could be wrong). Get archery up, get some ballis or catapults and you will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokey View Post
    *yawn*
    *yawn* .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokey View Post
    *yawn*

    Please read around the forums before venting. I can't actually read your report but I get the gist of it. I'm willing to bet you attacked a level 8+ valley and their level 8+ tech cav bowled into your lines and pwnt you. Yes? Yes.

    This is nothing new, horses have always rode full clip to hit archers as hard and fast as possible. That's possibly the only thing they even do. Archers do not take that long to build, 1min with a decent hero, while horses take roughly twice as long? (could be wrong). Get archery up, get some ballis or catapults and you will be fine.
    I understand your argument to him, but I also see why he's a little upset.
    You would think that common sense would tell you the pikemen would stand guard on the front lines of anything you've read/seen from history. You would figure they would line up in front of the archers with pikes ready and guarding.
    But then you can argue the cavalry would come around from the rear to attack the archers, but pikemen don't typically charge in for an attack... That's the swordsman's responsibility, so would it be too hard for the pikemen to set up around the archers?
    I, too, believe the pikeman on the game is a little low in defense power. Pikemen were created as a main source of defense, and it appears they're not doing their job in this game.

    All I can say to both of you is this:
    Stop making pikemen because they're not worth it.
    Any combat situation I have they die and the archer's die... Not the swordsmen even though I have greater numbers of them.


    Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwedjoo View Post
    I understand your argument to him, but I also see why he's a little upset.
    You would think that common sense would tell you the pikemen would stand guard on the front lines of anything you've read/seen from history. You would figure they would line up in front of the archers with pikes ready and guarding.
    But then you can argue the cavalry would come around from the rear to attack the archers, but pikemen don't typically charge in for an attack... That's the swordsman's responsibility, so would it be too hard for the pikemen to set up around the archers?
    I, too, believe the pikeman on the game is a little low in defense power. Pikemen were created as a main source of defense, and it appears they're not doing their job in this game.

    All I can say to both of you is this:
    Stop making pikemen because they're not worth it.
    Any combat situation I have they die and the archer's die... Not the swordsmen even though I have greater numbers of them.


    Just my opinion.
    I feel ya, but this is sort of how I view the situation, all the units are clumped at the start of battle, having not yet advanced properly (kinda silly but whatever), the enemy cav with their incredibly horse speed (super stallions!) zip at breakneck speed towards their enemies, if they encounter pikemen they charge their horses into the pikes (isnt this often what happened?) and as they went flying off their horses to their deaths, they pulled out their sword, aimed it at a nearby archer and flew kamikaze into the poor doomed archer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokey View Post
    I feel ya, but this is sort of how I view the situation, all the units are clumped at the start of battle, having not yet advanced properly (kinda silly but whatever), the enemy cav with their incredibly horse speed (super stallions!) zip at breakneck speed towards their enemies, if they encounter pikemen they charge their horses into the pikes (isnt this often what happened?) and as they went flying off their horses to their deaths, they pulled out their sword, aimed it at a nearby archer and flew kamikaze into the poor doomed archer.
    Well, I cannot argue with that logic.
    That explains everything!

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    Ok! Met, this is your 3rd thread, about how bad archers are, and how they shouldn't fight on the front line. WE GET THE POINT.

    You don't like archers, that's fine. If you don't like them! Don't use them. If your going to keep complaining about this, stop using them!

    Now, you might keep using them because they are the only way to win...in which case, you can't complain about how bad they are, when they are already the most important.

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    one thing everyone forgets is that this game is in no way realistic. with the coninuation of nerfs and crap, we just have to deal with the inconsistancy that continues to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Met7797 View Post
    Hwdy, noticed since you guys patched how the battle system works, my archers are dying in ridiculous numbers in ridiculous circumstances

    battle4.evony.com/default.html?logfile/7d/2d/b9/04/7d2db90484fedbc08123d0cc6918c24e.xml

    that battle report for example, some how cav found their way around almost 10k warriors, and over 1k pike (without even doing battle with the pike 0 losses there) and killed half my archers...

    now in the text box it says pikes are specifically good at fighting cav... yet my pikes and their cav didn't even meet... instead my archers who would've been stationed on a hill somewhere away from the battle field get killed first?

    maybe my pikes were on a smoke break, idk.

    just that if you're gonna make it so easy to loose archers, shouldn't they get a faster build time? takes hrs to build a respectable archer unit... days to really do it right... then you loose have your attacking force on something that doesn't have towers, or archers, yet the enemy infantry somehow walks around your infantry and kills your archers?????

    please develop responsibly
    Add in 1 cav and 1 cata to every attack, and this will never happen again, your archers will be safe and happy, and their cav will die screaming.

    Hope that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by kassikas View Post
    Add in 1 cav and 1 cata to every attack, and this will never happen again, your archers will be safe and happy, and their cav will die screaming.

    Hope that helps
    pants !!!! i attacked a town i have lvl 9 archery sent 40k warriors 40k archers 1000 balista and one of every single troop type ,they have level8 walls 5000 towers and wiped me out now 4 weeks back i would have won ! but since the last update( not notified by the way as they had promised to do in future) i now have no army left cant be bothered playing the game now the devs need taken to the vets and put down like the worthless dogs they are ! .........seriously

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