View Poll Results: What penalty should the small number of players who exploited receive?

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  • Prestige should be reset to 0.

    162 34.39%
  • There should be a penalty, but less severe. Remove extra Prestige and maybe a little more.

    72 15.29%
  • Only remove the Prestige gained through exploiting.

    134 28.45%
  • No penalty at all. Leave all the Prestige they gained.

    103 21.87%
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    Default Prestige Reset Concerns

    Update: http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=25078&page=26#259
    Update 2: http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?p=206161#309
    Final Update: http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=25078&page=32#317


    I feel a more thorough response to player concerns on Prestige is warranted.

    As most of you are aware by now, there was recently a vulnerability in game mechanics that allowed players to gain large amounts of prestige extremely quickly by attacking high level NPC cities with inexpensive troops.

    We closed this vulnerability, but we felt that some players had abused this to an excessive degree. There are a total of about 150 out of over 1 million Evony players (or about 0.015%) who were hit with this penalty. For these players we decided that a Prestige reset was in order. This was for several reasons:
    • We wanted to preserve the integrity of the game. If players who use exploits can jump to the head of the pack, then this encourages players to continually seek and exploit such weaknesses.
    • We wanted to protect the time and effort invested by players who did not exploit. If players who exploit can leapfrog players who are playing legitimately, this encourages legitimate players to exploit as well.
    • We wanted to send a message that exploiting will not be tolerated. While our other goals could have been accomplished by merely removing the "excess" Prestige, that does not deter future exploiters. We wanted players to know that exploiting will have consequences.

    Now, many people have raised the objection that "we never declared this was an exploit" but we believe that common sense dictates that sending troops to their death repeatedly should raise red flags in a player's mind that "hey, this might not be an intended feature." We want players to think about their actions and inform us if there are exploits instead of abusing them.

    Bear in mind that we, as a company, do not gain anything from this action. We don't stand to make any additional profits (in fact, we'll probably lose some) and this has certainly created some negative backlash.

    We did this to protect our players and preserve the legitimacy of the game. We don't want players to exploit and we certainly don't want players to feel that they need to exploit to "keep up with the Joneses."

    Our goal was, and still is, to make Evony a fun, exciting and fair game in the long-term. Sometimes we have to make decisions in the short term which will be unpopular and financially negative to get the game moving back in the direction we want it to go.

    That said, we are always open to feedback and comments from our players. For this reason, I'm going to open a poll in this thread, asking what you think we should do about this situation. This will not bind us to any specific course of action, but we'll consider your thoughts.

    Please confine discussion on the Prestige reset to this thread and the related threads that are still open. We don't need any more threads on this subject. Please do not become angry or insulting, so that we can keep this discussion on track. Thank you.
    Last edited by Dawnseeker; 06-25-2009 at 08:08 PM.
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    deleting my posts, not nice, do your job and fix stuff, quit sweeping it under the rug

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    Ban the 0.015% that's what i say, who would miss that percentage anyway. Good riddence to bad rubbish. Cheers.

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    Default ok...

    so you complain about us having HUGE armies and punish us for killing them in a way that gives us profit?

    AWSOME!

    yah as for your sending up red flags comment that is bull crap cuz logic has little to do with the machanics of this game i mean logicly an armored horse should be feared on the battle feild

    but they are AWFUL

    and 100k archers all stop to shoot at 1 swordsman? oh yah that should send up a few red flags!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escalante View Post
    My two cents is that I agree 100% with the Prestige reset. You guys handled the matter in a professional fashion; I commend the Evony team regarding this.

    While some players who have had their prestige reset may quit, more players will join , who, unlike the exploiters, actually enjoy strategy and put work and effort into playing the game they way it was designed to play. Players with common sense between what is proper gameplay and what is an exploit. So if I were one of you guys on the development team, I would not worry in the slightest.

    Once again, great job.
    I agree 100%. Nice Job Evony.

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    Excellent post Dawn, you never seize to amaze me. What ever the course of action that will be taken I'm sure will be fair based on the facts at hand.

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    Remove everyone's prestige, that way we all start at 0 again.

    But seriously you guys did good by punishing those that exploited. The devs made it clear that you weren't to mass farm prestige when they removed the exploit of macro'ing 10,000 warriors getting 10,000 prestige every few minutes.

    This punishment is a good lesson. If you don't punish them then everyone will continue to find exploits and abuse the heck out of them. This way they realize there is a penalty if they do it and get caught.

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    If the number of people affected is so small (150) then I'm wondering why my PM wasn't answered detailing how I was not exploiting the game and yet was affected by the reset?

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    Default Too severe...

    My prestige is all real, coming from upgrades, researches, troop building etc. and although farming prestige was not a true way for members to gain prestige, it was allowed, whether by design or not. Nowhere have I ever seen prior to the resets ANYTHING saying that you could not warrior spam NPC's. It was in the design of the game, and that should be taken heavily into consideration in adjusting players prestige. It is not fair to a player, or the alliance he is in to completely zero them out for doing something that was in the game design, and was not advertised as being wrong. I suggest they lose the prestige that was gained only. The point is rather weak anyways because prestige is not a good indication of power or strength. There are many high prestige players being taken out by much lower prestige players every day, so the fact that they had higher prestige is really of no harm anyways. You can look strong, or you can be strong. If you want to punish anybody, take a good hard look at who left the glitch in there that caused this whole mess. Take away the gained prestige, fix the problem, and let's all continue plundering and kicking butt!! Have fun, grow strong, and plunder hard!!

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    I for one must agree with Mythosgeek and Blahblahbl above. We are the players and as such play the whole game set before us. Quit putting your faults on us and correct the real in-game issues. I got an idea for correcting these issues.....how about untill you resolve these in-game problems the Evony Staff's paychecks get reduced to Zero's. Responsibility defined as the ability to respond. Pure and simple.

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