View Poll Results: What penalty should the small number of players who exploited receive?

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  • Prestige should be reset to 0.

    162 34.39%
  • There should be a penalty, but less severe. Remove extra Prestige and maybe a little more.

    72 15.29%
  • Only remove the Prestige gained through exploiting.

    134 28.45%
  • No penalty at all. Leave all the Prestige they gained.

    103 21.87%
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Thread: Prestige Reset Concerns

  1. #101
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    An Exploit is defined as taking any advantage over the average player out there. Reading the Forum, collecting Data, Planning ways to get ahead is on the edge of Exploiting others in the game.

    The NASCAR racers are digging and doing anything to win, this is a good example of the term as well. Same goes for NBA, NFL and other competitive groups.
    Last edited by Mujuk1; 06-23-2009 at 02:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujuk1 View Post
    An Exploit is defined as taking any advantage over the average player out there. Reading the Forum, collecting Data, Planning ways to get ahead is on the edge of Exploiting others in the game.

    The NASCAR racers are digging and doing anything to win, this is a good example of the term as well. Same goes for NBA, NFL and other competitive groups.
    Using your definition, since everyone has warriors to spare and everyone including an 'average player' have NPCs nearby to suicide on, with everyone including an 'average player' can 'exploit' the flaw in the systems, is NPC pres farming still considered an exploit?
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  3. #103
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    It sounds to me that this exploit came about from people trying to find the cheapest way to capture a level 10 NPC. If that is why it was done, there should be no penalty.

    If someone truly just produced warriors and threw them away for points, it seems to me they were wasting their time. I it makes them happy, let them keep their points.

    I don't think any prestige should be gained if you lose a battle.

  4. #104
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    Yea, I'm guilty too. I attacked a NPC and had too many warriors, not knowing what would happen and got some prestige I did not earn the right way to be valid. I should be re-set to ZERO.

    I lost prestige for setting it up wrong as well, but that's OK part of the game.....

    What is the right way to earn Prestige? Buy Coins and speed up Construction? I bet I will not get re-set to ZERO for doing that.

    Anyone exploiting warriors deaths for prestige gain need to be punished. Doesn't matter if you did it by accident or not, a death is a death, prestige needs to be ZERO.

    We need to "Spread the Pain" to all, wonder if the Evony databases are big enough or are they willing to go that far??

    Back to the really Game $$$$ to decide that one....

    "Follow the money" my friend...

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    Actually, it seems like the devs and mods dont even know for certain who used this 'exploit'. They are just punishing those who gained high pres in a short time. It would be hilarious if they punish the ppl who bought evony cents... i can imagine their words, 'Why the **** was i punished for PAYING YOU!!!'

    Also, my ally (who was once ranked second) and got his pres reset, just reported and laughed over a 50k pres guy sending 10k swords and cal and archers and warriors, only for these to be obilerated by 15k archer towers.

    Devs and mods, look out for a msg complaining about someone using cheats to gain a supernatural army...
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  6. #106
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    Default Too severe...

    My prestige is all real, coming from upgrades, researches, troop building etc. and although farming prestige was not a true way for members to gain prestige, it was allowed, whether by design or not. Nowhere have I ever seen prior to the resets ANYTHING saying that you could not warrior spam NPC's. It was in the design of the game, and that should be taken heavily into consideration in adjusting players prestige. It is not fair to a player, or the alliance he is in to completely zero them out for doing something that was in the game design, and was not advertised as being wrong. I suggest they lose the prestige that was gained only. The point is rather weak anyways because prestige is not a good indication of power or strength. There are many high prestige players being taken out by much lower prestige players every day, so the fact that they had higher prestige is really of no harm anyways. You can look strong, or you can be strong. If you want to punish anybody, take a good hard look at who left the glitch in there that caused this whole mess. Take away the gained prestige, fix the problem, and let's all continue plundering and kicking butt!! Have fun, grow strong, and plunder hard!!

  7. #107
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    I bet there was an "AND gate" with NOT Paying $$ and being on the high rate of Prestige gain. (AND gate means both need to be true)

    They are not going to cut-off the PAYPAL $$, over something as trivial as this. IF they do, it would be funny, but then I would think they need a Change of Management to keep Evony growing, but then again might be other data out there to help them decide.

    This is not the Big Moral Issue that it is claimed to be... LOL

  8. #108

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    The bug has already been fixed, there should be no need for a penalty as nobody will be motivated to exploit as it isn't possible. A game cannot rely on the average players "common sense". My mother told me not to talk to strangers, so shall I not speak to anyone?

    "We wanted to protect the time and effort invested by players who did not exploit."

    This is a lie. Not only were players who didn't exploit reset, but the your trying to protect other players from the exploiters acts of suicide. I don't see how this is beneficial to the players your "protecting". I would much rather let my enemy gain prestige by killing himself while I get it by upgrading my town. And now that the bug is fixed, why penalize people for "not having common sense"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujuk1 View Post
    I bet there was an "AND gate" with NOT Paying $$ and being on the high rate of Prestige gain. (AND gate means both need to be true)

    They are not going to cut-off the PAYPAL $$, over something as trivial as this. IF they do, it would be funny, but then I would think they need a Change of Management to keep Evony growing, but then again might be other data out there to help them decide.

    This is not the Big Moral Issue that it is claimed to be... LOL
    Curses, why didnt you say so earlier... sure i didnt use this 'exploit' but i should have told my allies to buy the mininum amount of evony cents allowed, then go pres farming... consider it as a bribe
    Demons relent,
    Obey my command,
    Bring forth your fiery ocean,
    Bring forth your mighty destruction.

    MAKE THIS LAND BURN!!!

  10. #110

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    My 2 cents...

    Using warriors as 1st wave prior to archer/ballista for NPC10 conquer seems perfectly reasonable strategy to me.

    Also to me NPC farming using warriors + transporters sounds like reasonable strategy - especially before ballista can be made in sufficient number.

    I don't see how either of above could be considered a cheat even if it could be "exploited" to gain prestige a great deal. I would consider using both methods even without the prestige bonus.

    Warrior suicide against NPC to gain prestige sounds like waste of time. But is prestige gained by warrior suicide "worse crime" than above two "valid-sounding" strategy? No in my opinion.

    I wasn't affected by prestige reset and don't know anyone affected in my alliance. Still my personal feeling is that retroactive removal of ANY prestige gained is unwarranted.

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