View Poll Results: What penalty should the small number of players who exploited receive?

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  • Prestige should be reset to 0.

    162 34.39%
  • There should be a penalty, but less severe. Remove extra Prestige and maybe a little more.

    72 15.29%
  • Only remove the Prestige gained through exploiting.

    134 28.45%
  • No penalty at all. Leave all the Prestige they gained.

    103 21.87%
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Thread: Prestige Reset Concerns

  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by sama1 View Post
    Just wondering why a complete loss of troops against another player ends up with a 1.5m Honor bonus. This sounds a bug in the system just like the Prestiege bug.

    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=25603
    Ummm. The winner got the honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valin View Post
    Ummm. The winner got the honor.
    No, the person who destroys the most resources gets the honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBQ_Sauce View Post
    No, the person who destroys the most resources gets the honor.
    I ment the winner in that fight got the honor. The poster was asking why the guy who lost won the honor. He didn't.

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    From what I have read it appears that the determination of who was "cheating" was not made by the review of attack reports but by some arbitrary decision about what was to much prestige gain in a period of time. Which has nothing to do with whether the exploit was used and if so was used to any significant extent. To make that determination, attack reports should have been reviewed and a determination that the exploit was used x amount of times within a specific time period. Warnings should have been given and then punishments should have been levied for repeat offenders. From my understandign from affected players no Evony rep had any specific knowledge about their so called abuse other then saying you jumped from rank such and such to such and such.

    What appear to have been done is that any player that jumped ranking more then was acceptable to the game devs was penalized without any review or warning. As others have stated, no rule book was given, so if the game allows it then it's fair. If a player finds it worthwhile to sacrifice 2K warrior several times a day instead of raiding NPC's then it's his effort, time and resources.

    I work in the IT industry and if I treated my end users as has been done here then I'd be penalized by my superiors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meph7447 View Post
    Well it a fitting punishment for the crime if you think about it. They did something to gain prestige which took advantage of a vulnerability "exploit" so they lost what it was that they gained. Even if it was all their prestige instead of just what they gained they learned their lesson so next time they wont do it. Prestige is easily gained anyways.
    Yes, but by gaining prestige by exploiting the "cheat" they got extra gold through solving quests earlier than those who didn't. Taking the prestige away from them hasn't actually resolved that problem, so they are still have not really be punished.

    If you had actually read my post, then you would have realised that. Instead of which, you, as a **** witted moron, have launched in with an opinion, without even actually checking out the opposing arguments. This makes you the dumbest ****er on the forum. You don't understand how the game works, you don't really understand what the issues are, yet you launch in with a half formed opinion. I expect to be buying a burger from you some time soon. I'll have some fries with that burger lol

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    all of you that voted to keep my prestige in any amount are poor players and probably worse people

    this game is a joke as are all of you haters

    you have no clue what was going thru my mind as i was running prestige raids and you have no clue as to the penalty of having zero prestige as an alliance host

    heres an idea post a rule book you lazy @$#%
    follow quests you said
    well quest said get over 500k prestige not how
    made perfect sense to me that as ruler of my world i could pay for prestige w/ lives and gold
    now for that im a cheat and i can no longer help protect or feed my alliance

    its been a few days now and i kept hoping i would feel better about this but you weak players and good for nothing / do nothing mods quite literaly make me sick

    forget the mods and devos i hope the CFO and accountants of evony notice the hundreds of dollars per month that they will no longer get from me, thats right you can track my prestige so now go track the money i spent playing your weak, free game and take note that it ends here
    Last edited by J.Cool; 06-24-2009 at 07:23 PM.

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    Usually by the time I read through 28 pages of arguments... the thread begins to feel more like this....



    Meh.. brain.. hurting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    hmm read the words quoted above in red. the weakness come from the designers of the game and the programmers, not the smart players who try to help them and find out all the features and smart moves.
    So your saying that when someone finds an exploit for a OS and uses it to take advantage of the OS on multiple platforms that he is not responsible for his own actions?

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    how would a player know that you do not intense to help out smart players?
    Are these players not work to obtain the resources, times and efforts to produces these inexpensive troops?
    If I got this right than what you're saying is that since he spent time and his own resources to produce the troops to use as suicide dummy's to gain prestige just to be on the top prestige ranks that he should not lose his prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    instead of promoting these players to help you guys finding out the "weakness" as you called it, or to us is tip for smart people, to improve this game? Now, we are not hacking the system nor or we try to crash the hardware but only to use what is provided to us (by the designers/programmers) to play this game.
    It's wrote very clear in the ingame rules

    "Exploiting

    Deliberately abusing a bug for profit or to benefit yourself, or intentionally concealing a bug is strictly prohibited."


    The players should have considered this by clearly thinking of what exactly they were doing and contacted a staff member to clear up the issue and make sure what they were doing wasn't againt the rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    Evony does not provide a manual on everything so what should we do? curiosity is a human trait as well as survival of the fittest. you guy laid down the rules and we play by it. you can't punish people by what they did in the past when there are no rule about what they did is wrong when there no manual or guide about this?
    What you should do is check the forums that have a handful of guides which tell you exactly what and how to do things. Curiosity might be human nature but it still applies to having curiosity to ask a staff member if its wrong to do such things with the prestige. Also have you ever heard the line "Curiosity Killed The Cat"?

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    Evony Team make this harsh punishment just to cover up their mistakes. they try to blame these people for their mistakes. if they make the punishment too easy, then people would think that it is Evony Team's false (bad design/programming which no team is perfect.)
    Nothings perfect no software is fool proof or bug free. People will find bugs/exploits/glitches and they will abuse them, if actions not taken people will be more welcome to doing so. No one reported the exploit so they stood their ground and took advantage of it. How could the Evony Team correct something if their not aware of players abusing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    you should punish people for what they do when you tell them not to do instead of punish the actions that people take in the past when you do not tell them what's right and what's wrong.
    Once again it was stated to not exploit in the game rules. It CLEARLY stated that and I have clearly posted in 2 threads stating what the term exploit means in computer terminology.

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    who know in the future, you would tell everybody that you suppose to sell your coins at a higher rate than when they purchase them and then charge the extra amount on their credit cards/paypal etc.
    Funny that you see exactly what's being charged to your paypal before you even click the submit/accept/purchase button to finalize your purchase.

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    PUNISHMENT only work for when people had been warned but still doing it wrong. Punishments for past actions only discourage people from playing this game. who know if you would announce other things that people are doing correctly now as a wrongdoings and then punish them for that?
    No one reported it, exploits were wrote against the rules and no brought it to the teams attention so there for no users were told that it was. Even though the simple point of doing it was to get massive prestige to get on the ranking board. Also people actually like punishments that are dealt with correctly. Im glad they were punished as if they weren't people would constantly try and look for loopholes to exploit things to take advantage of such things without the fear of a punishment because they could play the card that the previous players were never punished.

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoMussluv View Post
    even my 3 year old nephew knows this. is the whole team not as smart as a 3 year old kid or are you doing this just to cover up your mistakes in bad design/programming?
    Actually a 3 year old can't even say his name correctly let alone dream of comprehending this. If the team was not smart we would not be on this forum let alone this domain. Please keep direct insults to yourself. Also no their not trying to cover up anything obviously the game is still in beta and no one reported the issue they tryed to hide it under the rug and use it to their advantage. Changes will always be made to such things which are unfair to others for a more balanced game.


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    Clearly someone just likes mixing words around. Good job Bro. Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by blahblahbl View Post
    I used the warrior runs. I gained between probably as much as 1000 rank points from it. I am not exactly sure really. but it was around 120k of prestige gain. And i lost all my prestige.

    I am sure there are many posts bashing dawnseeker... tearing this post and anything else he may have posted apart. This is the answer that is deserved.
    thank you for recognizing your errors.

    -Chris

    My vote is still to give all the prestige back... certainly from all the money i spent building it before the prestige. I actually dont even play the game as i gave someone my account but im sure theywould enjoy the jump. and i would enjoy knowing my money went to something worthwhile. Punish if you will but realize what you did was harsh.
    Chris, just to make sure... you're saying you spent real money on evony? And you still had your prestige reduced to 0? That's pretty interesting then... Sephi allegedly spent money on the game also, and there's no other way than exploiting to explain his prestige jumps... yet he's been untouched... Maybe we have to spend over $500 or something...

    `Kaos

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