View Poll Results: What penalty should the small number of players who exploited receive?

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  • Prestige should be reset to 0.

    162 34.39%
  • There should be a penalty, but less severe. Remove extra Prestige and maybe a little more.

    72 15.29%
  • Only remove the Prestige gained through exploiting.

    134 28.45%
  • No penalty at all. Leave all the Prestige they gained.

    103 21.87%
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Thread: Prestige Reset Concerns

  1. #251

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    My biggest concern is that alot of the people did not know this was an exploit. If they are concerned about the integrity of the game removing the padded prestige seems pretty fair since for many who were of higher rank regaining that prestige is a tremendous time sync now. In future they should address the forum community with this information so that people know the consequences as I am certain they knew far ahead of the prestige resets.

    Hate on me if you like but the way it was handled is a problem.

  2. #252

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    I want to digress a little to address the most common complaint I have seen in this thread.
    So what's going to happen to Sephi? He undoubtedly used the exploit to rack his prestige so fast in such a short time, but he still appears to have all of his 2mil+ prestige. Is he going to be punished too? Or does he get off cos he spent real money on the game? If he gets off an has no punishment, can you tell us the minimum amount needed to be spent on evony cents so that we can all go ahead an spend $5 or whatever an be exempt from any future punishments?

    `Kaos

  3. #253

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1gu3lnz View Post
    So what's going to happen to Sephi? He undoubtedly used the exploit to rack his prestige so fast in such a short time, but he still appears to have all of his 2mil+ prestige. Is he going to be punished too? Or does he get off cos he spent real money on the game? If he gets off an has no punishment, can you tell us the minimum amount needed to be spent on evony cents so that we can all go ahead an spend $5 or whatever an be exempt from any future punishments?

    `Kaos
    LoL!

    Anyways, they were looking at prestige gaines from june 17 - june 21 afaik.

    I'll be on top of server 2 again soon enough since I didnt exploit and know how to gain prestige appropriately.. It's just a side product of my game play.

    If they ever do fix my prestige they should add the newly acquired to what I had previously :P!

  4. #254

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post

    That said, we also want players to exercise judgment and consider their actions. If someone went from 2000th to 20th Prestige rank in a couple days, we want him to realize that his trick is probably not working within the intended game mechanics and to report it to devs, not tell people in his alliance to use it and keep it on the hush-hush (as was done in this case).
    I went from rank 1 to rank 2 by prestige on server 2 and got resetted! When they fixed the prestige exploit I got back to rank 1 .

    However, I do not feel that the person that leapfrogged me should have been reset as he provided some good fun in the prestige ranking chase I had with him.

    That aside, if I am getting my prestige back, please add the 160k that I have built up over the last 48 hours too please.

    Thanks

  5. #255
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    Give players the option...

    Penalty 1 : Prestige completely reset

    Penalty 2 : Account suspended for 3 days (not frozen, so they still accumulate resources and have to feed armies, yet are also vulnerable to be plundered)

  6. #256

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgarwolf View Post
    Give players the option...

    Penalty 1 : Prestige completely reset

    Penalty 2 : Account suspended for 3 days (not frozen, so they still accumulate resources and have to feed armies, yet are also vulnerable to be plundered)
    Here's a better option:

    Choice 1: Play the game within the rules (may require common sense)

    Choice 2: Cheat, and accept whatever punishment is given
    Warning - Preceding message may contain high levels of sarcasm.

  7. #257

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    Quote Originally Posted by fianna View Post
    Here's a better option:

    Choice 1: Play the game within the rules (may require common sense)

    Choice 2: Cheat, and accept whatever punishment is given
    One would only know if they're cheating if the definition of cheating were put into the rules... which in this case, they didn't explain that sacrificing warriors against NPCs was an exploit... an usually in the case of rule breaking, a warning is given to those players, then a punishment if they do not heed the warning.

    I don't recall a mention anywhere of the Evony Devs giving those players whose prestige they reset, a warning of any kind.

    Oh, and fianna, as far as your "choice 2" goes... someone wasn't sure about the punishment given otherwise this thread wouldn't have appeared.

    `Kaos

  8. #258
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    That said, we also want players to exercise judgment and consider their actions. If someone went from 2000th to 20th Prestige rank in a couple days, we want him to realize that his trick is probably not working within the intended game mechanics and to report it to devs, not tell people in his alliance to use it and keep it on the hush-hush (as was done in this case).
    Well, let's see then. I joined W12 4 days ago and was ranked 45,879. Today, I'm at 166, AND JUST CAME OUT OF BP SO NO WARRIOR PRESTIGE FARMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Guess I must be cheating then, because I'm passing people who have been there for just over a week, even though the prestige booster "exploit" was taken away. Great measure of a cheater Dawn.
    Last edited by Valin; 06-24-2009 at 10:04 AM. Reason: Wrong current rank. Was better than I thought.

  9. #259

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    We should have a final answer for all the players who were affected by this exploit within the next 24-48 hours. If you had Prestige removed unfairly, our intention is that you get it back. Hang in there.

    I want to digress a little to address the most common complaint I have seen in this thread.

    There were absolutely flaws in the game design that allowed the exploit to occur. I'm sure there are more flaws somewhere that will allow other exploits to exist and they just haven't been found or come to our knowledge yet. If we had made a perfect game, no exploits would be possible and no bugs would exist. Unfortunately, we're all human and humans make mistakes and can't foresee every eventuality.

    There will always be flaws in the design of every online game. Evony is not unique in this regard. I have been an avid online gamer for years, and I remember map hacks in Red Alert, Stone of Jordan exploits in Diablo II, targeting reticles for mortars in Tribes 2, token-free tier items in World of Warcraft, and the list goes on. In each of these cases, a fault in the code or design allowed these exploits to exist, and in each case the worst abusers of the system were penalized and even banned for taking advantage of the flaw in a way that was obviously (or should have been) unintended.

    We fully understand that players will always look for the better, faster and easier path to any objective. It is astounding the things that players think of and your creativity has amazed us and also helped us to improve Evony. So, thanks!

    That said, we also want players to exercise judgment and consider their actions. If someone went from 2000th to 20th Prestige rank in a couple days, we want him to realize that his trick is probably not working within the intended game mechanics and to report it to devs, not tell people in his alliance to use it and keep it on the hush-hush (as was done in this case).

    We're not breaking new ground by penalizing players. We're not breaking new ground by changing the game mechanics in response to player demand and to fix exploits or features that didn't wind up working the way we thought they would. We're doing our best to keep Evony fun and fair for the players who are playing the game within the intended boundaries. Evony will continue to evolve to meet our vision for the game and to respond to our players.

    If you want a static game that will be the same thing week after week and month after month, you should look elsewhere, because Evony will never be that. Mechanics will change, new content will be released and flaws in design will be caught and corrected. This is the nature of online gaming; but more than that, it is our vision for this game to keep the content as compelling and exciting as we can so that we can continue to challenge and entertain all of our diverse players.
    I used the warrior runs. I gained between probably as much as 1000 rank points from it. I am not exactly sure really. but it was around 120k of prestige gain. And i lost all my prestige.

    I am sure there are many posts bashing dawnseeker... tearing this post and anything else he may have posted apart. This is the answer that is deserved.
    thank you for recognizing your errors.

    -Chris

    My vote is still to give all the prestige back... certainly from all the money i spent building it before the prestige. I actually dont even play the game as i gave someone my account but im sure theywould enjoy the jump. and i would enjoy knowing my money went to something worthwhile. Punish if you will but realize what you did was harsh.
    " A word the the wise aint necessary, It's the dumb ones who need the advice"

  10. #260

    Default How is 1.5m Honor for a lost not an Exploit

    Just wondering why a complete loss of troops against another player ends up with a 1.5m Honor bonus. This sounds a bug in the system just like the Prestiege bug.

    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=25603

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