Did the Roman Commonwealth become outdated and politically/structurally irrelevant?

[BBQ_Sauce]

Cicero never wrote a On Laws and the Commonwealth. Are you talking about his two separate works On the Republic and On the Laws?

The term "commonwealth" wasn't coined until a good 1000 years after Cicero's death.

[Conrad_Jalowski]

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=c...p%3Ftitle=1879

[wpack10]

Cicero never wrote a On Laws and the Commonwealth. Are you talking about his two separate works On the Republic and On the Laws?

The term "commonwealth" wasn't coined until a good 1000 years after Cicero's death.

OMG OMG OMG :O He just accused Conrad of being wrong on something that has to do with history. Blasphemy!

[BBQ_Sauce]

History major fight!

[DieForelle]

*gets popcorn and a soda*

So, what will happen?

[Conrad_Jalowski]

BBQ Sauce, you are wrong. Marcus Tullius Cicero's concept of the Roman state/Mos Maiorum was a technical term of Platonic and Aristotelian concepts of politeia that most closely resembles the term commonwealth. Cicero was a great synthesizer of Greek thought as he studied Theophrastus, Posidonius, Heraclitus, Plato, Aristotle, Thales, Pythagoras and blended it with Hortensius, Cato 'the Elder', etc so as to apply such concepts to the Roman mode of life.

In addition:

[SetoRoss]

Is that not what corrupts any form of government? The west strongly opposes communism, but think about it. True communism IS a good ideal. Unfortunately it is just unachieveable with human greed and corruption.

THANK YOU!Finally, someone gets it... I was starting to think America was just retarded

[BBQ_Sauce]

Anything before 1450 or so isn't really my forte so I'll give this to you. Ancient History isn't my cup of tea.

[Demonhero]

Based on my brief knowledge of Rome, I think that no it did not.

They had an amazing system set up for such bloodthirsty people. During wars to gain freedom from the etruscans (Who ultimately influenced the final political system, as the Etruscan monarchs were brutal, and the Romans desired a government of the people, for the people, by the people, etc..), durings wars against the Carthiginians, and even in the gladiators arena, they proved they had a massive taste for blood. Yet they sat down nicely, in a chamber, and talked about what would happen, as a whole. They worked together to decide on Rome's path. Civilized Barbarians, they had the best political system ever, right up until the Triumverate crumbled, and Caesar declared himself dictator.


Note, I rambled quite a bit, so my point may have been lost.

[logrus]

Conrad, I think you largely re-said my exact opinions but with better wording, in other words I agree with you. I also agree that communism is a great "idea" however, due to the fallen nature of mankind we cannot create a perfect communist ideal. (Dances around the barely legal to post sign) In fact in most of the majorly accepted religions, the underlying principle that is taught, is communism.