Generation

[tvdude1230]

so im an inhabitor, i started in April, i never would've guessed considering my post count

[Kalent]

I put up Conrad as an example of elitism and intolerance of other people's views.

Admittedly a somewhat extreme example...

I've seen Conrad's post many many times, lots of them, I don't see how he fits into that category?

[abracax]

I've seen Conrad's post many many times, lots of them, I don't see how he fits into that category?

He used Conrad as an extreme example, if you have ever seen any of Conrad's discussions you would know, if you do not agree with his view 100% then he hates you and flames you. Every bit of info he put up, he expected to be taken as the golden word of Conrad. If you dared to prove that anything he put up was wrong or even questionable, get ready for battle. Despite all this, I like Conrad lol

[ABakker]

look, I noticed this much earlier this morning, but it was my hope that I could avoid expressing my views here. Unfortunately, that was not the case as people did not let this die and fade into the background keeping any of us from getting in trouble for it.


First off, I made this thread as just a fun little discussion we could have, nothing more. There are truely nothing as "generations" of posters on these forums, yet it was something that was begginning to emerge, so I thought why not just make a thread about it. Unfortunately, things on it took a turn for the worse here when I feel it was not necessary to be honest.

Now, Wildor, it does not matter that people were "labeled" here (yes, I agree labeling is bad but it always will occur. Language makes that inevitable.) No matter what, these same thoughts would have arisen had this post never been made. People always want to seem more important and special in some way. The trick is how can you manage to give your own spin on it to try to keep them inline and not becoming Nazi-ish (far right by the way, so now that I said that, all this political bull**** needs to end. The right and left extremes are both crazy and so yeah)

The trick to proving that you are a good human being is to be genuine. Speak your mind, stick up for what you believe in, fight for others and do not lie to your friends. We here in the OT have started to lose our minds and our humanity. We are now attacking each other when this is a game, and therefore we should enjoy ourselves, and not bicker. I unfortunately cannot return to the way things once were, for I have seen too much on these forums, and it has tainted my heart. I weep for the way things have become (don't worry, my health is still fine, but I did actually lose 1 nights sleep over some things here, and no, I'm not crazy enough to try anything drastic Wildor, and I can't believe you actually thought I would.), and I still try to fight for the player, no matter what they have done in the past. It does not matter if it was Kempion, Nesterus, Knuckles, Zenrax, or anyone else, if I think they are in the right, I will side with them.

As for Conrad, I really liked him, and you meet all kinds of people in the world. People like Conrad will always exist, and I must admit I admire Conrad because he to fought for what he believed in. Really Wildor, you and Conrad aren't much different, you both are very genuine, and thats what makes both of you so great in my book. I mean you both fight for what you think is right even if it doesn't help you in any way. People that do things and know that they will not gain any benefit from doing so are what these forums need the most.

I mean I knew and still know that what I do on these forums is frowned upon by alot of the moderators. I knew what I had been doing was not giving me any political advantage, but I still did it because that is what I believe in, helping others, even if I don't know them. They have thought I was building some sort of army and such, and perhaps they still believe that. What annoys me most though is that they never bothered to confront me directly and ask me. If people don't like what I do, tell it to me in person, and don't go behind my back. Nothing hurts me more then when I feel like I've been betrayed and lied to.

Anyways, I got a bit off-topic there. Anyways, People will always discriminate against one another. Its up to us though to try to keep others in line and know when and how to respond to certain issues. People will always become angry and say things that they truely don't mean. I suggest that if we consider them our friend, we realise that we should turn a bit of a blind eye to it and ignore it straight out. Unfortunately, I could not do that here because attention was called to this matter, but for future reference OTers, we must learn more tolerance.

[pialpha]

He used Conrad as an extreme example, if you have ever seen any of Conrad's discussions you would know, if you do not agree with his view 100% then he hates you and flames you. Every bit of info he put up, he expected to be taken as the golden word of Conrad. If you dared to prove that anything he put up was wrong or even questionable, get ready for battle. Despite all this, I like Conrad lol

I liked when Conrad did that, most informative Flame war ever.

[abracax]

ABakker, not one person is putting any blame on you. We thinks it's great you were able to figure out generations and such.

Wildor is just making a point that some took the whole generations thing a little too far. When we know that is not what you meant by making this thread.

And yes, people will discriminate in some form or another, however some using your example of generations was wrong.

[Milonius]

I liked when Conrad did that, most informative Flame war ever.

Example of part of a Conrad history showdown:

Ok, serious question for you Conrad, what are you talking about when you say "Roman Commonwealth?" I've never heard the term before.

Oh! A Ciceronian term for the Roman Republic. In Marcus Tullius Cicero's On Laws and the Commonwealth, he detailed the complex system of the Roman Republic, through its checks and balances, political equipollence or unity and cohesion, its system of the consuls, praetors, aediles, quaesters; the role/function of the civilian tribunes, ranks of precedence, ways of improvement, etc.

Cicero may have been a fan of the Greeks, but I am confused by your use of the term commonwealth, in its strictest definition it has nothing what so ever to do with democracy, nothing to do with any sort of constitution, and in fact very little to do with how the actual government is run, in point of fact, the term commonwealth refers to divergent governments which come together for a specific cause, or under a single authority to promote a common goal, much like England and Jamaica, two separate governments that both swear fealty to the Queen and both contribute, though not evenly, to the common defense. Please explain what this has to do with the Platonic and Aristotelian concepts of politeia, and that link having been established how this applies to the Imperial Roman modal.

I enjoy how individuals who hardly understand the factual history of the Roman Commonwealth, the utilization of particular political terminology as in regards to classical Greek and Roman political/philosophical thought, and the role of Cicero with Greek philosophy in relation to Roman thought.

It is interesting how ignorance on a particular topic can be concealed underneath the guise of understanding!

Your right, I have no knowledge of the Roman Commonwealth, not due to any lack of learning on my part, but rather that it never existed, you want to talk about the republic, ok, you want to talk about the empire, ok, you want to talk about Cicero or the city states, fine, but seriously, go look up the definition of Commonwealth, the Romans never had one, and if, as others seem to think, by commonwealth you mean republic, how can you even ask that, Rome was on the verge of collapse before the imperial period and had it not been for the restructuring of the government would certainly have dissolved, its like asking if the Russian Empire could have survived in the modren world. Oh, and in regards to your post on my message board, perhaps you could explain exactly how my previous post, “conceal their lesser understanding/knowledge underneath a guise of understanding”

I like how individuals who do not know Platonic, Aristotelian and Ciceronian philosophy, and the concept of politeia claim to understand such concepts, its correlation to the particular topic, and its main tenets.

I like how people who claim to be historians don't answer questions posed to them, and than go on not to note their referances.

Ah, all the teachings of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle are powerless against the irrationality of a fiery five year old as I once read on the theme of futility of intelligence to ignorance.

You are wrong, and I am disheartened to see that ignorance is so widespread...

This may be one of the most informational fights on the forum.

Oh...those were the good days. Instead of fighting about spam, we fought about the Roman Commonwealth.

[ABakker]

I know the blame wasn't being put on me abracax, but I pointing out that I think the way we are trying to fix things here is going about it all wrong. The problem isn't the spammers, the people trying to blame the spammers, or anything like that. The problem is our responses to what is done. First, we must understand the people around us and determine what they truely want. Complaining about spammers only makes them want to spam more. Sucking-up to mods is also a problem we now experience here on these forums because they don't get a grasp of our real thoughts. None of us are truely speaking our mind it feels like (save for a few people), and the forums just aren't the same. I have my conjectures as to many of the underlying problems, yet its not like I can really do crap anymore. I think we all realise I more or less inhabit a "dead" account.

[wpack10]

Hey after reading Milos quotes it reminded me that TWT was right. Conrad never actually answered ANY questions, he jus called the people ignorant etc so he really didnt Fight for what he believed in.

[Lord Arumen]

I liked Conrad_J, and he only liked you if you where smart - or you knew how to deal with smart people. For example:

Evasion: Say intelligent things without being intelligent. "I withdraw my own opinion in this matter, as I find it infantile and irrelevant."

Make Your Opinion Matter: Dont tell them everything they do is great and they come for your opinion. He asked me to read everything he ever wrote and play ever RPG he ever made.