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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekai View Post
    Edit - maybe they can restate it or move it to a more visible part of the forum
    That would work too.

    I just don't think it's that great of an idea to put the game rules in some obscure place that not many people can/will find and expect players to follow them.

    If you don't put the rules out there in an easy place to find and read, it's not the player's fault if they break one. It's the game devs for not making sure every player knew about the rule... or that every player had the opportunity to know about the rule

    I would like to see the rules posted somewhere in game and not on the forum because it's not mandatory that a player visits this place. You could say in the beginning mail something to the effect of, "Make sure you check the forum for the game rules. Here's the link..." But I don't think you can just expect players to check the forum and find the thread buried in the Game section.

    EDIT: Oh, and I forgot this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingcnnor View Post
    get a life and stop bicthing
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    I have played this game for months and months and months and read the forums quite a bit and never one thing discussed in this thread.

    I knew that multiple accounts per person was banned. Got it.
    No idea that multiple people from the same IP could not a) be in the same alliance etc, and b) had to register.

    While I understand the thought process behind it, I think that it is a poor rule in that why would my family want to play if they can't play with me?

    "Hey this is a great game bro (or spouse), come play it"..... "well wait you can't be in the same alliance with me."

    It also would impact for example people who play from work. For example I work in a call center with almost 1000 employees. I see evony up in the breakroom constantly. All probably 100 people or so I see play regularly come from the same IP. They don't have a way to even KNOW what other accounts may be active from this IP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorvinrhuebarb View Post
    I have played this game for months and months and months and read the forums quite a bit and never one thing discussed in this thread.

    I knew that multiple accounts per person was banned. Got it.
    No idea that multiple people from the same IP could not a) be in the same alliance etc, and b) had to register.

    While I understand the thought process behind it, I think that it is a poor rule in that why would my family want to play if they can't play with me?

    "Hey this is a great game bro (or spouse), come play it"..... "well wait you can't be in the same alliance with me."

    It also would impact for example people who play from work. For example I work in a call center with almost 1000 employees. I see evony up in the breakroom constantly. All probably 100 people or so I see play regularly come from the same IP. They don't have a way to even KNOW what other accounts may be active from this IP.
    Congratulations, you have just uncovered the reason why Evony hasn't punished anyone for playing multiple accounts in the same alliance on the same computer.

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    Exclamation Is this complaint necessary?

    I am of two minds on this, especially having just become aware of the rule. (Dear Evony: I have to run to work soon and I will message you my details as it seems the rules require as soon as I can.)

    My household includes my family and my business partners family.
    -My children alternate between my home and their mothers home.
    -My children are not allowed to use their personal e-mail for online services and games. I require that they use one of my e-mails so that I can monitor the content of the messages. There is also the point that I am online many times throughout the day and many online messages have a time requirement that would be missed since they do not have easy internet access at their mother's house. By using one of my e-mails, I am able to keep their responses current and timely while insuring that the content is appropriate.
    -While they enjoy the game, they are not the best at strategy. I am often asked to sit with and advise them.
    -We play to have fun, not to harrass others. Any PvP activity is only against non-responsive and apparrently inactive players.
    -I provide aid to anyone within my alliance. They provide the aid they are able when they are able. This behavior is the same relationship of aid and assistance that everyone in our alliance shares.

    =My business partner and I share a home to keep our expenses low and focus our available income on our business.
    =She and her family also play here.
    =While her children are not migrating between households, they are held to the requirement to use e-mail accounts that can be monitored for the same safety reasons I stated above.
    =Their accounts have been less lucky and repeatedly raided. As the first of our household to start playing Evony, I am much further along than anyone else in my home.

    *None of us are militant in our relations with other players.
    *Our girls often ask me to handle the communications with hostile players because they often feel intimidated by the power-punks. Rather than have them give up on the game, I help them out since I tend to foster more friendly reactions when writing back and forth with once hostile players.
    *Within our household we have 7 desktop PC's and 2 laptops. When everyone is home we often have all 9 computers up, routed through a single Clearwire home tower and burning a hole in Clearwires bandwidth.


    While I can see where the potential for abuse exists, I do not view our situation as an abusive arrangement. We do not treat each other any different than we treat other members of our alliance.

    As for the compliants against Evony regarding this... I have run and managed online services and several online message boards. I am also aware that MOST players here and on similar boards are here for FREE.

    Evony is polite enough not to pound us with advertising, not to sell our e-mail data, or make us fill out panels of questions in order to enjoy this as a free game.

    The percentage of players who are paying for services and benifits here only provides enough funds for a staff of limited size. The management of Evony must place priority on which issues will be addressed by their limited staff. Currently, it appears they have put playablity, game balance and persistancy of service as the top of their list.

    I dare say that the majority of players are more interested in the quality of the product they are playing as opposed to worrying about when the Evony staff will start dropping hammers on potential rule breaking. Not to say they are not concerned about rule breaking - but they may only have enough staff on hand to address the most grievous of abuses at this time.

    I would suggest that rather than flooding the boards with negative posts, that YOU follow the rules and report suspected abuses by using the appropriate channels. Then, extend the Evony staff some respect and let them address the many details of running an online service as best they can.

    Trust me. They want you and everyone here to have the best and most enjoyable experience they can possibily provide for you with the resources they have available to them.

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    The rules are right here, under the game forum and sub-forum in game rules, though I agree it should be its own forum or message right up front top as opposed to the tiny red letters you might have to see otherwise, but the rules themselves regarding multiaccounting are at the very beginning of the post.

    Account Use
    Each player is allowed to hold 1, and only 1, account per server.
    If a player or players wish to play two or more accounts from the same network, a Game Operator must be notified without exception. In these cases, the accounts will not be able to have military contact while on the same connection.
    The e-mail address used for the registration of an account must be under the personal and exclusive control of the person who registered the account.
    There is no compensation for damage done by someone logging onto your account, no matter how they got your password, so keep it safe! This leads to the next point.
    Evony Team members and staff will NEVER ask for your password. If anyone claiming to work with the company ever asks for your personal account information, please report them immediately and do not give them your password.
    Commercial account exchanges are not allowed. This includes buying or selling accounts for money or in-game currency. We will monitor such transaction and block accounts that participate in such unfair commercial account trading.
    So clearly there is a provision for people connecting from the same IP, they just have to notify a "game operator" (does this mean mod?) first and not have military contact, IE be in the same alliance and reinforce. Granted that sucks for people playing together from the same house, but it simply doesn't suck anywhere near as much as dealing with individuals who have dozens of cities and infinite mich scripts and speedups because they spam create accounts and have unmatchable production capability. Furthermore, the problem is not that we want every account connecting from the same IP banned without question, but that the people who have been reported for it on the harassment board, which are generally the most blatant and egregious instances of it, have not been banned or even investigated for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myle View Post
    I am of two minds on this, especially having just become aware of the rule. (Dear Evony: I have to run to work soon and I will message you my details as it seems the rules require as soon as I can.)

    My household includes my family and my business partners family.
    -My children alternate between my home and their mothers home.
    -My children are not allowed to use their personal e-mail for online services and games. I require that they use one of my e-mails so that I can monitor the content of the messages. There is also the point that I am online many times throughout the day and many online messages have a time requirement that would be missed since they do not have easy internet access at their mother's house. By using one of my e-mails, I am able to keep their responses current and timely while insuring that the content is appropriate.
    -While they enjoy the game, they are not the best at strategy. I am often asked to sit with and advise them.
    -We play to have fun, not to harrass others. Any PvP activity is only against non-responsive and apparrently inactive players.
    -I provide aid to anyone within my alliance. They provide the aid they are able when they are able. This behavior is the same relationship of aid and assistance that everyone in our alliance shares.

    =My business partner and I share a home to keep our expenses low and focus our available income on our business.
    =She and her family also play here.
    =While her children are not migrating between households, they are held to the requirement to use e-mail accounts that can be monitored for the same safety reasons I stated above.
    =Their accounts have been less lucky and repeatedly raided. As the first of our household to start playing Evony, I am much further along than anyone else in my home.

    *None of us are militant in our relations with other players.
    *Our girls often ask me to handle the communications with hostile players because they often feel intimidated by the power-punks. Rather than have them give up on the game, I help them out since I tend to foster more friendly reactions when writing back and forth with once hostile players.
    *Within our household we have 7 desktop PC's and 2 laptops. When everyone is home we often have all 9 computers up, routed through a single Clearwire home tower and burning a hole in Clearwires bandwidth.

    While I can see where the potential for abuse exists, I do not view our situation as an abusive arrangement. We do not treat each other any different than we treat other members of our alliance.
    Cool, you're a good parent. Hats off.

    As for the compliants against Evony regarding this... I have run and managed online services and several online message boards. I am also aware that MOST players here and on similar boards are here for FREE.

    Evony is polite enough not to pound us with advertising, not to sell our e-mail data, or make us fill out panels of questions in order to enjoy this as a free game.
    Um... where were you about a month back?

    The percentage of players who are paying for services and benifits here only provides enough funds for a staff of limited size. The management of Evony must place priority on which issues will be addressed by their limited staff. Currently, it appears they have put playablity, game balance and persistancy of service as the top of their list.
    Ok, they're understaffed. Sucks for them. (balancing and playability haven't been all that great so I really hope that those aren't their priorities.)

    I dare say that the majority of players are more interested in the quality of the product they are playing as opposed to worrying about when the Evony staff will start dropping hammers on potential rule breaking. Not to say they are not concerned about rule breaking - but they may only have enough staff on hand to address the most grievous of abuses at this time.
    I've only heard of 2 instances where people have been punished for breaking "rules." And they weren't even rules in the first place.
    1. A war spammer was banned on Server 1 in the first couple months of the game. (war spamming wasn't against the rules)
    2. People who suicided warriors for prestige had their prestige reset to 0. (Guess what, suiciding warriors wasn't against the rules)

    I would suggest that rather than flooding the boards with negative posts, that YOU follow the rules and report suspected abuses by using the appropriate channels. Then, extend the Evony staff some respect and let them address the many details of running an online service as best they can.
    What do you think we've been doing for the last, what, 4 months?
    SPOILER ALERT
    nothing happened

    Trust me. They want you and everyone here to have the best and most enjoyable experience they can possibily provide for you with the resources they have available to them.
    I believe the consensus around here (maybe the view has changed, but I don't think it has) is that Evony is out for 3 things: 1. Money, 2. money, and 3. more money. I'd go dig up the threads, but I'm too lazy.
    Last edited by BBQ_Sauce; 08-26-2009 at 04:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekai View Post
    So clearly there is a provision for people connecting from the same IP, they just have to notify a "game operator" (does this mean mod?)
    No, it does not mean a mod. I just sent everyone that mailed me over to Dawnseeker.

    I don't know what he did with the info
    Last edited by BBQ_Sauce; 08-26-2009 at 04:36 PM.

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    although the multi account rule is a sensable rule there is absolutely NO practical way to enforce it without alot of innocent people getting banned.
    The ONLY logical thing to do at this point is to remove the rule. A rule or law that is unenforcable just makes the people who implimented the rule, look foolish and clownish.

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    And you think I would let my kids be in an alliance I was not part of?

    I have played online games since the early '90's. I know full well what type of content passes for Party Chat, Alliance Channel, Buddy Line or whatever term is used regardless how 'good' the chat filter may be.

    My stance is that either my kids can be in my alliance, or Evony should provide a way for me to monitor the alliance chat of the alliance my kid is in. BUT THEN, that would not be fair to the other alliance who would be FORCED to trust me not to use any knowledge gained against them as I monitor my kids chat contact.
    Imagine the havok someone with accounts in several alliances could cause?!

    If my family can't join me here, then we will just go back to playing Civ, Risk or Axis & Allies. Frankly, we enjoy the open ended 24/7 aspect of Evony, but I am not going to leave my children unmonitored in this enviroment no matter how old fashioned it makes me.


    Rules exist to prevent abuse. Rules generally only come into being AFTER someone creates an abusive situation or past abuses become well known within a genre.

    The best way, in my opinion, to address this is to allow Evony the time to address reported abuses and respond based on the validity/severity of the abuse reported.


    -----edit add-----

    @BBQ and others

    I have only played here around (probibly under) a month. The others in my household have been here for less time.

    Of course, Evony is in business to make money. If they were not in business to make money then it would be dumb for them to be in business. The point is that they have to determine how to address matters with the staff available. Flooding the forums with negative posts does not improve the situation.

    Sure, it helps players feel 'more heard' when they air these matters out. Perhaps Evony could/should assign themselves the task of investigating 'x' number of reports per week... purhaps even post their findings and actions taken depending on severity of a rule violation.

    My point is... Beating up on the Evony staff too energitically will only do more to dull their interest as they sit at their work desk and stare sullenly at their In Box.

    Yes, I know. Some of you just shrugged your shoulders and you could care less about 'Evonies problems' or how full their desk jockies In Box is. Point of interest, however, is that the same people that you just marginalized is the same people you are wanting attention from. I am not sure about you, but when someone belittles me, it does not put me in a hurry to put them high on my list of priorities.
    Last edited by Myle; 08-26-2009 at 05:02 PM. Reason: replies to posts that appeared while I was posting

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    I completely agree with your assessment of the motivation of evony being Money, what surprises me constantly is that others are surprised by this, did they expect a charity?

    With that in mind I suspect you hit on one of the key problems with this "rule". The number one source of players who play for any length of time is going to be word of mouth. Web adds are great but they generate tons of "pay for 20 minutes and quit" players whereas almost all word of mouth generated players will stick around for a lot longer since they know what evony was before they started.

    Enforcing this rule would directly and adversely affect their revenue stream.


    With that aside I am not really convinced that multiaccounting is all that much of a power gain as Sekai seems to believe. Once you pass a certain point in the game I think that 4 decent players can take out one 4 account player every time. If they plan and coordinate well. *shrug* other than espionage I have found that focused single account players tend to do better long term.

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