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    I have already decided not to spend any more funds until I know if the investment is worth it or if me or mine will be punished for playing peacefully (mostly).

    As for 'how to tell the difference'... That is easy enough, really. Monitoring scripts can be set to flag exchanges between players that exceed "X" amounts or frequency. Just as monitoring scripts can be set to flag if a player is attacked at whatever is 'determined' to approuch excessive. The Evony team could then cross reference "Flagged" incidents with "Reported" players to stream line their efforts.

    Options for solutions to the matter are not hard to conceive. The difficult part is having an Evony staff member with the time to develop such monitoring scripts and facilitating the cross references.

    So we come back to the practical issue of the availablity of time for the staff here.
    Unless, of course, any player understand the coding system used by Evony and is willing to freelance the needed scripts...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myle View Post
    I have already decided not to spend any more funds until I know if the investment is worth it or if me or mine will be punished for playing peacefully (mostly).

    As for 'how to tell the difference'... That is easy enough, really. Monitoring scripts can be set to flag exchanges between players that exceed "X" amounts or frequency. Just as monitoring scripts can be set to flag if a player is attacked at whatever is 'determined' to approuch excessive. The Evony team could then cross reference "Flagged" incidents with "Reported" players to stream line their efforts.

    Options for solutions to the matter are not hard to conceive. The difficult part is having an Evony staff member with the time to develop such monitoring scripts and facilitating the cross references.

    So we come back to the practical issue of the availablity of time for the staff here.
    Unless, of course, any player understand the coding system used by Evony and is willing to freelance the needed scripts...?
    You don't need to set-up and run scripts to monitor this. All the information they need is logged automatically, and once a player is reported as running multiple accounts all they have to do is investigate the report and go through the server logs. GMs rely on players to be their eyes and ears in online games because they simply cannot be everywhere.

    There will always be problems with any solution, but the reality is that proposing a solution like you did only serves to be a strawman argument.

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    Not knowing how their logs work makes it difficult for me to know that 'they already have that info', therefore it is not a strawman arguement... it is simply a matter of me being uninformed about the system they use here when providing a potential solution.

    The persistant game I run is NWN and you need individual scripts to record, monitor and parse the logs for just about everything useful that is needed/wanted or the info simply goes into the ether.


    It just seems to me that there should be a more constructive way to address this than simply suggesting that the Evony staff are negligent... or worse... simply do not care.
    If people really felt that way, why bother?

    Personally, I simply believe they are dealing with matters based on immediate priority and that this particular matter does not rate very high right now. After all, they have (according to other posts) a broken combat system to deal with, numerous server failure events and several game balance issues to sort out. If these problems were simple or easy, don't people think that they would just solve things and make their customers happy?

    Businesses prefer their customers to be pleased with their products. The only reason they have for leaving anything 'broke' is that they either have not agreed on a fix OR they are not finished implimenting the fix. I mean look at things realistically. Nobody goes into business with the plan to have their ideas blow up and compound existing problems. I idea that they are just ignoring the issue does not make sense and to me is the real strawman.

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    So, you don't think individual players running around with infinite cities, resources, armies, and cash shop items that they did not pay for, ought to be a high priority? And regardless, this issue has been around since the beginning of the game and the staff has not stated anything about enforcement of this rule. They have a long history of taking an excessive amount of time to communicate anything to the player base, better in recent days but if there is no response to it then most players will just assume that they aren't going to do anything about it and more people will start doing it just to be on even footing with those who are already abusing it.

    As far logs they already have records of the IPs of those who connect, as well as the all the battle and transport/reinforce reports between cities, and probably all the mails as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sekai View Post
    So, you don't think individual players running around with infinite cities, resources, armies, and cash shop items that they did not pay for, ought to be a high priority? And regardless, this issue has been around since the beginning of the game and the staff has not stated anything about enforcement of this rule. They have a long history of taking an excessive amount of time to communicate anything to the player base, better in recent days but if there is no response to it then most players will just assume that they aren't going to do anything about it and more people will start doing it just to be on even footing with those who are already abusing it.

    As far logs they already have records of the IPs of those who connect, as well as the all the battle and transport/reinforce reports between cities, and probably all the mails as well.
    It is not that I do not think it provides an atmosphere of abuse. Clearly, there is abuse going on. What I am saying is that the use of the logs and a flagging system can help them isolate such incidents based on set parameters. This could allow what is likely to be a huge intimidating task into something more reasonable.

    Also what I am saying is that it is entirely possible for there to be mutliple accounts within a household that barely even rate on the radar. Of all the accounts from my house, only my account has the ability to threaten other players. The rest are only threatening in that they can call for help from more potent members of the alliance.

    It just seems to me that forbiding multiple accounts is counter-productive. The problem is not how many accounts come from a household or even how many accounts are used by a single person.....
    The issue is HOW those accounts are used.

    Example:
    Drinking is not the problem.
    Drinking to excess and becoming a public menace IS the problem.



    So do we want Evony to come down on the practice of multiple accounts?
    -If yes, do we want some difference in treatment between accounts from multiple people from the same household versus multiple accounts held by the same person?

    If we limit the restrictions to single players with multiple accounts....
    -Do we acknowledge a difference between levels of hostility? Perhaps just addressing those who prosecute repeated and debilitating raids while using multiples?

    After all, the number of accounts is not really relivant if the user is not overtly hostile or oppresive against other players. It is the distructive and abusive behavior some multies display that is a problem... a matter that I don't think anyone could debate in a valid fashion.





    The debate about how Evony enforces it's rules aside...
    I think most of us probibly agree on how we want get where we are going.
    It is just that some of us disagree on the route we would like to take.

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    well im sure they will do something if multi accounts become a very big issue.for now we have yet to see any actions taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha noob View Post
    Just own the guy with a multiplayer account. Zero all his cites.
    haha. so did I on server three...

    Quote Originally Posted by BBQ_Sauce View Post
    I seem to be using this pic alot lately...
    Nice... swiped that one

    Quote Originally Posted by a dead player View Post
    the evony team is quick on the draw with contest and prizes and such but when it comes to the players needs. wheres the evony team?
    Sad thing is... There are not there for the support, as it will be outlined in next quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashanta View Post
    Those who multi-account and have been reported as doing so should be investigated and banned. Period.
    I have screenshots that directly implicated the person with more than 1 account (he openly admitted he has 7). I got an email from Evony for more info, which i sent, then I got an email saying that they will reply back in 24 hours. If I don't here from them, I should reply back with the support ticket number and they will escalate it... well that was in the beginning of August... and I didn't get a support ticket number. I even replied back that if they needed help, I will help them with the support / cheat claims.

    As for the multi-accounter that is 10 years old and thought he was better than me as he had 200K+ prestige to my piddling 60K, since evony didn't take him out... i did... he used one account to take an inactive next to me... then gave it to his other account so he can use the mich. script on the TH and Barracks etc... I took that city then zero'ed him out on the other cities... he jumped to the nearest alliance that had 6 cities next to me (i had 2) which was a friendly to us... little did he know that alliance was on our target list... as soon as that red flag went up, took him out once again... he abandoned the city like the rest of the alliance did and then he made the mistake of taking some big player's valleys and disbanding those...

    Still waiting evony for the email....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThugLife View Post
    well im sure they will do something if multi accounts become a very big issue.for now we have yet to see any actions taken.
    Too late... it is a big issue... the only reason it has 'grown so much' as they say it's because of all these players with multi-accounts. They won't do anything because they can't.
    Last edited by Couriant; 08-28-2009 at 07:30 AM.


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    One of the ones I'm dealing with, I sacked most of his cities, but they literally have a team of people to watch those accounts 24/7, so when one guy sleeps or works the next one takes over all the accounts, and their cities literally cannot be capped or zeroed..plus talking about like 40+cities here..though what with people using junk accounts to exploit for free mich scripts, speedups, and not having to deal with medal farming, that's a lot of revenue down the drain, and generally hardcore players that would go to that extent are the most likely to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couriant View Post
    I have screenshots that directly implicated the person with more than 1 account (he openly admitted he has 7). I got an email from Evony for more info, which i sent, then I got an email saying that they will reply back in 24 hours. If I don't here from them, I should reply back with the support ticket number and they will escalate it... well that was in the beginning of August... and I didn't get a support ticket number. I even replied back that if they needed help, I will help them with the support / cheat claims.

    As for the multi-accounter that is 10 years old and thought he was better than me as he had 200K+ prestige to my piddling 60K, since evony didn't take him out... i did... he used one account to take an inactive next to me... then gave it to his other account so he can use the mich. script on the TH and Barracks etc... I took that city then zero'ed him out on the other cities... he jumped to the nearest alliance that had 6 cities next to me (i had 2) which was a friendly to us... little did he know that alliance was on our target list... as soon as that red flag went up, took him out once again... he abandoned the city like the rest of the alliance did and then he made the mistake of taking some big player's valleys and disbanding those...

    Still waiting evony for the email....
    The one I'm dealing with is possibly quitting after a week of having 3 of his 7 accounts taken to 1 city, and zero'd out repeatedly, a fourth under constant pressure, and the other 3 sending resources to rebuild the 4 getting attacked. He teleported 3 of the cities when he got the 100 cents from the "I'm sorry package".

    You got lucky you could find all of the cities, and that he didn't teleport to a different state to start all over.

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    Well,

    I messaged Dawnseeker about my situation. Hope he/she/it/they were the right person to contact. I guess I play the waiting game to see what their answer is, if any.

    We shall see.

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