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    Ok so i've been off protection for about a week and i have not been scouted or attacked EVER!!!!!! heres what i did:




    Please note the following tips will help u make this happen quicker:




    #1 - The longer u hold onto ur items that are worth alot the better off ur gonna be

    #2 - Use the proper mayors every time. So attack mayor with highest attack will cut down on troop production time alot. same goes with politics helping out constructing buildings and intelligence for research.

    #3 - Use your intelligence hero with the highest points as mayor while u are away or sleeping. This will help protect ur info while u are sleeping. more on this later on...

    #4 Constantly being active the first few days and then u can cruise in the long run and not be as active... so the more hours u play at the start the better start ur gonna have... and the more everyone keeps moving elsewhere...


    #5 - Save the upgrades that take the longest till the very end after everything else has been upgraded. This will further cut down the time when ur Hero is mayor and he has more points. every extra point is 1% off more from the time. so a 10 hour upgrade will take off 6 mins for every extra point (60 mins * 10 = 600 mins * 1% = 6 mins ). I upgraded the same thing on some occasions everytime it completed a level up to lvl 5. after lvl 5 the upgrades times get really long so try to get everything to lvl 5 first and then work from there. try not to have something with a very high level and have everything else low or average lvl. Only do that for informatics and beacon those are two very important elements and MUST be upgraded to higher levels ASAP.

    #6 - Make ballista ASAP and Farm NPC to get alot of xp to the hero. the hero will then thank you when he gets 20k in xp in one attack and goes up like 3 levels and when u put him as mayor he's gonna reward u with an extra 3% off upgrade times just because he went up 3 levels that quick in the early levels. Nice huh!!!

    #7 - Barracks, Beacon, Informatics, Walls, Construction, Engineering and Machinery are the top priority upgrades for this to work in that order. Iron Working, Military Tradition are second priority and then Military Science and Metal Casting are third all in that order.. This priority list should help u maintain a strong defense while hiding ur info as first priority and then defense.


    #8 - Info > Defense > Offense - Trust me on this you'll thank me later

    #9 - Right before something is done such as an upgrade, research or an order of troops switch to mayor that corresponds to what's gonna finish so he gets the xp for his efforts. that way he can further help you quicker. so if a troop order is about to complete make attack hero mayor so he can level up quicker and your gonna have to switch to that hero and make him mayor anyways to begin another order, u might aswell benefit from the xp at the same time.


    Now onto the guide:



    --- Upgraded the lowest times for everything i possibly could in the first few days so to raise my upgrade completion time down the road and wipe out the minimums ASAP.


    --- Used up almost all my spaces on sawmills and get them producing alot ASAP


    --- Around the fifth day of playing the game i decided to work the market with a lvl 2 marketplace and sell wood since that's what i was producing the most. Buying as low as possible and then sell as high as possible and then write down the price i paid or sold it for future reference. When i wasn't buying and had free time while playing i scan the market as much as i could and write down the lowest and highest prices so i know how much i expect to buy/sell it for in pending transactions. If i had all my barracks, research and buildings already working non stop, i would sell EVERYTHING of that resource and stay with a little bit depending on how much i would need to burn the resources into buildings, troops, research, etc... so i would try to keep the very minimum i could and the reason is for two reasons:

    #1 It helps you make more room to buy more resources *Very Important*

    #2 It makes enemies go elsewhere if they scout you and u got no resources or not enough for them to waste their time on you.


    *Now i have a lvl 6 marketplace and i have as many pending transcations as possible so when the price goes in my favor i make the big money. also helps when ur sleeping too. I try to sell as high as i can then right after place a pending order for the same resource at around half what i sold it for. If after like 8 hours goes by and the order is still there i'll lower the price just a little and evaluate the going rate for the resource and adjust accordingly.

    --- After i started noticing that i was bring in the profits big time i talked to my alliance members about becoming the alliances bank reserves and to have players aware that i can send them resources when they are low and that if they would be away for a while (like on vacation) to send me all their resources and troops to protect them here while they are away and at the same time profit more for the alliance. If i myself was low on resources i asked a member to ship me resources so i could keep mine in pendings and profit later on. This is good because not only do i have reserves in the market but u also profit and form trust and stuff with other fellow alliance members.

    --- Now the day has come and i was out of protection and i was worried especially when i already had a few million in resources, so i just stayed low and under the radar. I decided not to attack anyone and to keep profiting from the market and began focusing on raising my defense ASAP.

    --- The resources i made from the market i began producing tranporters and then i started mass producing them

    --- After i had my first batch of tranporters i would attack any whales i found that had very little defense and alot of resources within my area and certain amount of prest and no alliance (i found a whale with no alliance, no defense and had 8.4m in resources and is 15 miles from me and was an easy pick up)


    --- I Researched Informatics as quickly as i possibly could and as many levels as i could and also started upgrading my beacon too little by little but no slow either

    --- After my wall was at around lvl 5 i started researching Engineering and get it to lvl 5 ASAP.

    --- When i was basically doubling my resources with every sell i made and i was loaded i decided in order to protect myself i need to mass produce scouts ASAP and as many as i could so i need to build more barracks ASAP

    --- After i had 7 barracks i can start mass producing of scouts and so i did. My target was to reach 10k scouts ASAP. This will help in these ways:

    #1 - Scout Wars = the more scouts u have and the gate open the more protected ur info is from the enemy. 10k scouts vs 1k is a piece of cake and u kill his scouts at the same time.

    #2 - You can do mutiple recon missions with like 200-500 scouts and locate whales and scout valleys and npc asap around you to plan ur attacks

    #3 - The more scouts u have the more resources u can send someone when he's low. Yesterday i had a member who was going on vacation in 3 days and needed to build his defense as best as he could before he left. he told me he needed around 250k in wood and 250k in iron. At that time i had a little over 6k scouts. i was shipping him 44k in resources every 6mins round trip. That is very fast and he was around 45 miles from me. i shipped him a total of around 500k in resources in around 1hr 15 mins round trip. My transporters would have taken around 2.5 hours round trip to send the same 500k so i shaved half the time off and he was using those resources alot quicker than if i had sent them with transporters.


    - As my defense was really blowing up now, i began really mass producing alot of archers and swordsman. my target was 1k swords and 2k archers. i built them rather quickly in a few hours with 4-5 barracks mass producing them

    --- now to make this guide shorter i'm just gonna go to the end... i got out of protection on 8/27 and till this moment i have never been scouted or attacked. i'm packing over 21m in resources AFTER all my queues are full and don't stop producing troops and fortification. i have 119k in prest with lvl 8 beacon and lvl 8 informatics so to end this guide the key here is to make money in the market (i try to get double what i paid) and the make alot of scouts and have ur beacon and informatics as high as u can ASAP. the higher they are the more protected ur info and ur resources are. think of ur city as a really big storage for u and ur alliance members. i mean who's gonna attack a big fortess blind if a scout war is ur first line of defense. also if you place ur intelligence hero with the highest point in intelligence while u are sleeping you info and fortress are protected unless a really big wave comes ur way in which case ur looking at a really big massive war involving plenty of members to help guard the alliances stash. Also do realize that by working the market u will make prices skyrocket and the weaker have to spend more therefore u have the advantage and so does the alliance. If i need to add something else i will edit.

    Good Luck!!!!!
    Last edited by wilmer007; 09-02-2009 at 09:31 AM.

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    1 point;

    Its your attack hero thats get used during scout battles not intelligence hero. And you don't need him as mayor game auto selects him/her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entropy View Post
    1 point;

    Its your attack hero thats get used during scout battles not intelligence hero. And you don't need him as mayor game auto selects him/her.
    I've scouted the same city 2 min apart, 1 with an attack and one with an intell- the intell gave me wall defenses and troops while the attack didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    #3 - Use your intelligence hero with the highest points as mayor while u are away or sleeping. This will help protect ur info while u are sleeping. more on this later on...
    Disagree on this, just put in your politics hero. If you get attacked or scouted, Evony automatically assigns the hero with highest attack (whether it is your mayor or not) to defend.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    #5 - Save the upgrades that take the longest till the very end after everything else has been upgraded.
    I would say, save the long upgrades for when you sleep or go afk for long times.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    Only do that for informatics and beacon those are two very important elements and MUST be upgraded to higher levels ASAP.
    Most important is your walls and wall defense, since valleys can be taken over by just a few archer (you don't even need to know whats there) informatics and beacon can be left aside for some time. I recommend starting with the walls and the defense on it, that will be what protects you when you're out of beginner protection, not beacon tower.


    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    #7 - Barracks, Beacon, Informatics, Walls, Construction, Engineering and Machinery are the top priority upgrades for this to work in that order. Iron Working, Military Tradition are second priority and then Military Science and Metal Casting are third all in that order.. This priority list should help u maintain a strong defense while hiding ur info as first priority and then defense.
    I go full out on the defense when i start (Meaning i start researching all relevant techs used in combat after i get the production research to a reasonable level), machinery doesn't do much, Military Science and Metal Casting helps you on building defense and having a good defense early in the game is the key to surviving.


    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    #8 - Info > Defense > Offense - Trust me on this you'll thank me later
    Defense is number 1 priority. I don't know why you go for scouting operations first.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    #9 - Right before something is done such as an upgrade, research or an order of troops switch to mayor that corresponds to what's gonna finish so he gets the xp for his efforts. that way he can further help you quicker. so if a troop order is about to complete make attack hero mayor so he can level up quicker and your gonna have to switch to that hero and make him mayor anyways to begin another order, u might aswell benefit from the xp at the same time.
    Politics hero is hardest to level up at start, so leave it at politics hero.


    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    --- Upgraded the lowest times for everything i possibly could in the first few days so to raise my upgrade completion time down the road and wipe out the minimums ASAP.
    Follow quests, if you start building everything that's fast, you will run out of resources and it will take you more time to get them back compared to someone who follows the quests.


    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    --- Now the day has come and i was out of protection and i was worried especially when i already had a few million in resources, so i just stayed low and under the radar. I decided not to attack anyone and to keep profiting from the market and began focusing on raising my defense ASAP.
    Defense should have been there already.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    --- After my wall was at around lvl 5 i started researching Engineering and get it to lvl 5 ASAP.
    Engineering doesn't do much good if you don't have wall defense - it just takes a few more troops, and at only level 5 wall it's no use researching it because it doesn't take much to bring it down.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    --- When i was basically doubling my resources with every sell i made and i was loaded i decided in order to protect myself i need to mass produce scouts ASAP and as many as i could so i need to build more barracks ASAP
    Those barracks should have been there already, you said you only upgraded the short upgrades. Then where's the barracks?


    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    --- After i had 7 barracks i can start mass producing of scouts and so i did. My target was to reach 10k scouts ASAP. This will help in these ways:
    Uhm, i had 14 barracks to start with in beginner protection. All level 4 to make archers, one level 9 and while i was building ballistas in that single level 9 barrack, i was researching archery and HBR to an appropriate level while making scouts and archers in the other barracks. Meanwhile building archer towers and upgrading walls.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    - As my defense was really blowing up now, i began really mass producing alot of archers and swordsman. my target was 1k swords and 2k archers. i built them rather quickly in a few hours with 4-5 barracks mass producing them
    What defense?? Level 5 walls and no mention of wall defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    --- now to make this guide shorter i'm just gonna go to the end... i got out of protection on 8/27 and till this moment i have never been scouted or attacked.
    That really doesn't make you good, that makes you lucky.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilmer007 View Post
    i mean who's gonna attack a big fortess blind if a scout war is ur first line of defense.
    Noobs will, and they will succeed since your only protection was trying to be unscoutable. Trust me I've seen it before.

    I skipped all the market parts, because the market depends on how old the server is. Don't try this on a new server because it wont work.

    To come to a conclusion, your informatics, scouts and beacon tower didn't help you much since you never got scouted. I wouldn't give anyone resources who intends to go inactive for days.

    I'd say you got lucky people left you alone, your alliance probably played a big part in that.

    Now before responding, i don't mean to say your whole post sucks, you had some good points. I'm just telling my opinion on it.
    Last edited by Lynnore; 09-02-2009 at 03:01 PM.

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    the point of the guide is to have really high protection of ur info so because of that, it is why i put my intelligence hero as mayor while i sleep. i have plenty of resources so i don't need more. really i don't really get much on production bonus because i'm producing around 150k in wood with politics hero and around 120k with intel hero as mayor. i have over 9m in food and more from NPC farming so really i have plenty of resources and the 30k difference to me is not worth giving away my info while i'm sleeping. Scouts are my first line of defense to hide my info and then if they somehow send more than 10k in scouts the intel hero is my second line of defense to hide the info. And my intel hero as a base stat of 68 in intelligence and a total of 148 base stat for all 3 stats when he was at level 1 so that is a really really good hero to have.

    Just to clear up some things:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnore View Post
    Disagree on this, just put in your politics hero. If you get attacked or scouted, Evony automatically assigns the hero with highest attack (whether it is your mayor or not) to defend.


    Oh thanks i didn't know that

    I would say, save the long upgrades for when you sleep or go afk for long times.


    I did


    Most important is your walls and wall defense, since valleys can be taken over by just a few archer (you don't even need to know whats there) informatics and beacon can be left aside for some time. I recommend starting with the walls and the defense on it, that will be what protects you when you're out of beginner protection, not beacon tower.

    my walls and defense were going up at the same time. i was upgrading beacon first because the time to upgrade the next level of walls was much more higher than if i upgraded beacon to get it into the same time range



    I go full out on the defense when i start (Meaning i start researching all relevant techs used in combat after i get the production research to a reasonable level), machinery doesn't do much, Military Science and Metal Casting helps you on building defense and having a good defense early in the game is the key to surviving.




    Defense is number 1 priority. I don't know why you go for scouting operations first.

    I wasn't doing scouting operations the scouts are there to force someone to send more scouts than what i have otherwise they get destroyed.

    Politics hero is hardest to level up at start, so leave it at politics hero.




    Follow quests, if you start building everything that's fast, you will run out of resources and it will take you more time to get them back compared to someone who follows the quests.


    i was following the quests it got to the point where the quests were no longer helpful as i was making alot in resources so i stopped following it around the 6th day.

    Defense should have been there already.

    it was there reasonably if not slighlty better. archers, swordsman and towers were there.


    Engineering doesn't do much good if you don't have wall defense - it just takes a few more troops, and at only level 5 wall it's no use researching it because it doesn't take much to bring it down.

    i think my wall was lvl 6 i wasn't sure. it's going to be lvl 8 in the next 24 hrs.

    Those barracks should have been there already, you said you only upgraded the short upgrades. Then where's the barracks?


    i had a reasonable amount of barracks at the time.


    Uhm, i had 14 barracks to start with in beginner protection. All level 4 to make archers, one level 9 and while i was building ballistas in that single level 9 barrack, i was researching archery and HBR to an appropriate level while making scouts and archers in the other barracks. Meanwhile building archer towers and upgrading walls.



    What defense?? Level 5 walls and no mention of wall defense?

    i think it was lvl 6 and had a good amount of traps and towers. again my wall queue never stops producing. the guide was long enough as it is so why make it longer by give my defensive numbers.

    That really doesn't make you good, that makes you lucky.



    Noobs will, and they will succeed since your only protection was trying to be unscoutable. Trust me I've seen it before.

    I skipped all the market parts, because the market depends on how old the server is. Don't try this on a new server because it wont work.

    To come to a conclusion, your informatics, scouts and beacon tower didn't help you much since you never got scouted. I wouldn't give anyone resources who intends to go inactive for days.

    I'd say you got lucky people left you alone, your alliance probably played a big part in that.

    Now before responding, i don't mean to say your whole post sucks, you had some good points. I'm just telling my opinion on it.
    Last edited by wilmer007; 09-02-2009 at 09:28 PM.

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    I got to number 3 - put your highest INTEL hero as mayor when you sleep, and stopped reading. That is just flat out wrong. You want your best POL hero as mayor over 99% of the time.

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    good guide for beginners.

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