Global Warming

[Jato310]

As every singe person seems to have missed the main argument point here, here we go. Yes the planet goes in cycles, but as anyone who has taken even the most cursory planetary history knows so does extinction. In other words, when there is a massive shift in temp, many species, of plants and animals, go extinct, due to changes in water patterns then entire ecosystem changes. As we should also know humans are extremely specialized, we have settled agriculture, in other words we can’t just pick up and move with the climate, we also have things like borders and tense international relations. The “so what” of global warming, we depend entirely on heavily specialized crops you want an example of what happens to them when the temp changes just a little, look at the little ice age. And as a response to the inevitable argument, we have the tech, we can not solve the drought across the American west, we can not green the desert in Africa, as the climate changes as the climate changes we will louse our ability to sustain our selves, and the faster it changes, the worse things will get. As an aside, most major cities are built either by the ocean, they will be flooded, or by major rivers, which will dry up, vastly altering the cities econ.

[Cyhort]

Wow, it's nice to see that there are some people here who don't believe in man-made global warming.

The fact is that Al Gore's movie has been widely discredited by credible climatologists and there is no scientific proof that human beings have anymore than a negligable effect on the planet, surely not enough to require government sanctions and limitations to "save the planet".

The planet is cooling down though. Last year was one of the coldest in recent memories and this one is shaping up to be very similar.

[Jato310]

I know we are not really supposed to decry other posters, but when people say things like the post above, I can’t help but laugh, last winter was the coldest in recent memory, give me a break, the fact the weather in the United States is becoming more continental means that the ocean is getting warmer, and it is only scientists on the fringe of the scientific community that say global warming is not happening and that it is not man-caused. Seriously, I’m not saying you have to stop watching Fox News, but maybe you could just try reading an article in Scientific America, or maybe listen to the AAAS, ya know, just once.

[ApimpsPimP]

I know we are not really supposed to decry other posters, but when people say things like the post above, I can?t help but laugh, last winter was the coldest in recent memory, give me a break, the fact the weather in the United States is becoming more continental means that the ocean is getting warmer, and it is only scientists on the fringe of the scientific community that say global warming is not happening and that it is not man-caused. Seriously, I?m not saying you have to stop watching Fox News, but maybe you could just try reading an article in Scientific America, or maybe listen to the AAAS, ya know, just once.

ok . i was gonna let it go but you had to bring fox news into it. of course no one watches fox news for news anymore, they dont watch msnbc for the same reason only the other direction.
lol
as for global warming, i think i agree with all you to a degree. it is and is not happening. how is it both, you ask? because it IS happening but it IS a naturally occurring phenomena. so to battle back and for about moot points is irrelevant.

the fact of what i said still stands. they have made alot more out of it , in recent years, when they should have since the beginning of the industrial revolution. the greenies almost act like it is*OUR* fault, the common people, when in reality it has been collusion between the big bad capitalists (sarcasm) and the governments, both here and abroad, that are supposed to be protecting both their consumers, and overall, their citizens.

pollution is not a new concept. neither is the legacy effects human beings have on their environment, the fact that what we do can outlast our lifetimes economically or naturally speaking.

the most you can really pull out of it is that it is naturally occurring and being sped up by man made processes. however, the problem does not lie in existing tech to battle a majority of these issues. it lies in SELF sustaining energy- like i said, solar, water, wind, eventually solar winds, and so on and so forth. we are not talking about terraforming the american west here - we are talking about changing existing products from certain chemical bases to others, etc. we are not talking science fiction here. we are talking processes that have been around for literally DECADES, that have never been implemented for the collusion of the two forces named above.

so i mean.... we can talk about it all day long. when the tech REALLY IS THERE to change how we are treating our environment, and it is VERY obvious who is profiting off of NOT changing those processes to this new tech, then all we say is moot.

the fact will stand- we could eliminate nine tenths of pollution tomorrow. the fact of the matter is- our, and many other, govt , cannot stand on what taxes will be left after you take that size a proportion of consumable goods out of the picture. despite any realities, both in your scientific observations, and in the technology that i am mentioning, as long as there is a nickels worth of oil, then coal, then ethanol, left to gas, i am sure we will never see the true shift towards futuristic energy consumptions that we are discussing.

the most ironic part? to us, solar, etc driven energy is "futuristic". it could be harnessed tomorrow, provided the people making money off of oil would run out of oil. they would be the first in line with the new process- theyre the ones whove locked them all up all these years.

as long as you have a tax hungry govt the green fight will be a losing fight. they tie you in with all the so******ts because of the taxes involved with catching up to what our govt has been so keen on letting it go on for so long.

[wpack10]

Simple explanation:

Its all George Bush and HomeWork's fault.

Billions of Homework papers, workseets, workbooks, etc are made each year, to be used once then thrown away. For all these papers, millions of trees are cut down, which leaves CO2 into the atmosphere thereby causing Global Warming.

George Bush is just an idiot, I dont like him, and all problems in the world are his fault.

[Lord Drazsyr]

Simple explanation:

Its all George Bush and HomeWork's fault.

Billions of Homework papers, workseets, workbooks, etc are made each year, to be used once then thrown away. For all these papers, millions of trees are cut down, which leaves CO2 into the atmosphere thereby causing Global Warming.

George Bush is just an idiot, I dont like him, and all problems in the world are his fault.

*nods head in agreement*

bush is like every other president. an idiot until he leaves office. no exceptions.

[logrus]

I think this is enough part of the proof,
"Scientific research through U.S. Government satellite and balloon measurements shows that the temperature is actually cooling - very slightly - .037 degrees Celsius." Link

Also, my Aunt worked with some people who in there job work with the government sattelites, and no I can't talk about it for confidentiallity reasons, so no you don't have to beleive me, however, it has been prooved, that the globale "warming" trend is not true.

[LoisLane]

The only reason the world is acting like global warming is really happening, is due to the simple fact they have never experienced what it is like to go through a cycle before. To them it's new and even the worlds greatest scientists have a lot to discover.

Theres a whole lot more that scientists have yet to discover. Every year at Uni we had to obtain extra books and guides due to the fact the previous ones were incorrect.

I don't listen to these so-called experts anymore.

I believe it's a natural cycle and this argument is being heard all the more these days.

[logrus]

The other reason why people are so concerned, is because the media hyped up Global Warming so much and made people so scared of it, that now, people are just wired to follow along with the mass hysteria.

[Jato310]

The only reason the world is acting like global warming is really happening, is due to the simple fact they have never experienced what it is like to go through a cycle before. To them it's new and even the worlds greatest scientists have a lot to discover.

Theres a whole lot more that scientists have yet to discover. Every year at Uni we had to obtain extra books and guides due to the fact the previous ones were incorrect.

I don't listen to these so-called experts anymore.

I believe it's a natural cycle and this argument is being heard all the more these days.

And here is what it comes down to, I dont listen to exsperts becasue I believe somthing is happaning, who needs the AAAS or the AJAS when we have our belifes and someone's mothers sister who worked with someone who knows that that global warming is acctually a goverement conspiracy.