Quote Originally Posted by Milonius View Post
I can understand where Hobbes is coming from, but I think it's a nurture vs. nature issue, with nurture being the cause of people's cruelty and selfishness. The environment one grows up in can affect them too.
I disagree, I believe that mankind runs on the basest of instincts, many of which revolve around fighting, for a variety of reasons. The instinct to fight to protect close people, the instinct to fight for food, the instinct to fight for your territory. Without government imposing civility upon us, we would eventually deteriorate back to that state of pure instinct.