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    Default What the hell has the nationality of the creators got to do with anything?

    Posted this in another thread but think the point is important enough for a thread of it's own.

    There have been many complaints about x y and z issues, a lot complaining that the creators are trying to make money and for some reason this seems to often be linked with the fact they are Eastern nationality.

    ... really don't see what this issue has to do with the creators being Chinese. If the so called freedom of Western ideals means putting down the creators adopting capitalism (which is what the US wanted isn't it?) then resorting to barely veiled racism I'm damned well proud to say I knew the West/US was corrupt and hypocritical all along.

    Thankfully I know there's plenty of sane americans out there that are capable of swallowing the fact China is capable of competing with the US, and genuinely do believe in their ideals even when it looks like they aren't always going to be #1.

    Not that I'm happy about the medal situation in the slightest. See my other posts regarding this issue. But I'm not about to start saying 'it's because they're Chinese/Korean/whatever' because... oh forget it, if you can't understand why that's wrong you haven't learned anything about life and liberty and the entire set of ideals we are meant to be champions of.

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    closer but CHAMPIONS, what is that supposed to mean? each and every person is equal champions are by opinion of the public. you can't just herald yourself as a "champion".

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    I'm not subscribing to that belief but if you don't think the West generally styles itself as champions of freedom and liberty you obviously don't live here, or if you do you never switched a Tv or radio on in your entire life.

    This is a distraction to the main issue as I'm sure you're aware. It has nothing to do with the point of my post.

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    i live in the "west" i am australian, further more just because they think doesn't mean they are. they don't have the right. but as you have said, this isn't the issue.

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    Sorry took your post as a hostile one, which from your reply to the original post in the other thread it clearly wasn't intended to be. My bad

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    not a problem.

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    Has it occurred to anyone here that people from different countries have different cultures and mindsets?

    It is a commonly held belief of those in the Chinese and Korean cultures (those actually raised in those countries) that the Western nations are decadent and rich. This is not a racist statement, but a statement of fact as it applies to how the majority of Chinese nationals have been raised to see the Western world. The exemption to this generality would be those raised in Hong Kong, which is now Chinese property again, but has only been back under Chinese rule for 10 years, and had been a major hub of capitalist business until then. I lost touch with the Hong Kong culture when American businesses began leaving in preparation for the 1999 handover, so I don't know if the atmosphere has become more like mainland China, or if Honk Kong has been able to retain its more independent and Capitalist ways.

    The issue of how our two cultures view things is like comparing apples and oranges. This is not a racist view, but rather the observation that our countries look at life in completely different ways. We value money and possessions differently.

    Now...that's not to say that the Chinese are any less capable of scamming people than say...Americans are. Humans worldwide are all equally capable of scamming their fellow human beings. This is a sad human trait for which there are no borders.
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    stormwolf you just missed the entire point of the first post. Being stereotypical like what your saying is approaching racism, not everyone has a "mindset", not everyone has the same "common belief" and grouping the entire eastern region into one culture... good one.

    apple and oranges are they both not edible, round and fruity ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scx View Post
    stormwolf you just missed the entire point of the first post. Being stereotypical like what your saying is approaching racism, not everyone has a "mindset", not everyone has the same "common belief" and grouping the entire eastern region into one culture... good one.

    apple and oranges are they both not edible, round and fruity ?
    And you missed my point entirely.

    I never once said that one culture was "right", or that another was "wrong", did I? No...I said, that they are different. Have you ever been to, or even spoken with, people raised in Non-"Western Culture" countries? Those of us who have been born and raised in the so-called "Western" countries have very little concept of the cultures of other countries. We take freedom of speech for granted. We take having a family of the size we choose for granted. There are countries in this world who do not enjoy certain freedoms, and who's citizens form opinions of the world based solely on what their Governments allow to be filtered into the country. This is not a uniquely Chinese issue.

    Do not presume to label me a racist. While it may not seem "fair", or "racially acceptable", the hard truth is that those of us who live in a "Western" society often have no idea how people from other countries are taught to perceive us.
    U noć idem, sjećanje jedan trn od zalosne, dalje prema smrti.
    Into the night I go, memory a thorn of sorrow, onward toward death.


    Death feels like the butterfly, can't escape the scarred lie
    ~Skinny Puppy: haZe~


    So, drifting through the dark
    The sympathy of night's mercy inside my heart
    Is your life the same? Do ghosts cry tears? Do they feel years?
    As time just goes on and on and on

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormWolf View Post
    And you missed my point entirely.

    I never once said that one culture was "right", or that another was "wrong", did I? No...I said, that they are different. Have you ever been to, or even spoken with, people raised in Non-"Western Culture" countries? Those of us who have been born and raised in the so-called "Western" countries have very little concept of the cultures of other countries. We take freedom of speech for granted. We take having a family of the size we choose for granted. There are countries in this world who do not enjoy certain freedoms, and who's citizens form opinions of the world based solely on what their Governments allow to be filtered into the country. This is not a uniquely Chinese issue.

    Do not presume to label me a racist. While it may not seem "fair", or "racially acceptable", the hard truth is that those of us who live in a "Western" society often have no idea how people from other countries are taught to perceive us.


    Let me do a break down.

    When in my first post did i say you were "right or wrong" ?

    i live in New Zealand, and we do speak english here.

    "We take having a family of the size we choose for granted." Only China has the 1 child policy, and thats only in most parts of the country not all.

    "This is not a uniquely Chinese issue." its AN uniquely, not a.
    Yea pay more attention to your own American politics, are they not trying to sensor the internet ?

    "Do not presume to label me a racist. " When did i ever call you a racist?

    " the hard truth is that those of us who live in a "Western" society often have no idea how people from other countries are taught to perceive us."
    Why are you speaking in plural ? You are one person, don't speak for the entire American population.

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