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    everyone is seeing this from a farming perspective. There's more to it than that. Here's a prime example. You're at war with an alliance. The alliance ports a city next to you, you scout it, it's virtually empty (no defence, no troops). You attack it, and attempt to conquer (so you send in the cavalry). You get the loyalty down to 15, at which point it drops every 6 minutes. Now, the city has a L9 warehouse. It has no troops, therefore not consuming food only generating it. You cannot remove all of its food because of the warehouse. What happens if a bot is comforting every 15 minutes 24/7? It has enough food to maintain that comforting since the warehouse is protecting just enough to keep for comfort purposes. After 12 minutes, loyalty has now dropped to 13. Your waves are going in, they hit, loyalty is now 18 minus your hit drops it back to 15. 12 minutes later, it's dropped to 13 but auto comfort kicks in and it's back up to 18! With a bot comforting, the cycle continues and this city will never be conquered all the while, you're wasting energy/resources on it and having to get used to that red flag next to you.

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    I also meant to add that while sharing of accounts is against ToS, there is a difference between that and bots. A bot will not make a mistake (unless the persons internet connection goes down). People can and will make mistakes. Even when people share accounts, they're not guaranteed to be online. People have lives (or I'd hope they do). They have kids, errands, sleep, etc, even when multiple users are babysitting an account. Bots do not have the element of human error.

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    If I want to play against bots, I can play single player games against the computer. The whole point of THIS game is PvP. For those who missed it, that means Player vs. Player. Not Player vs. Bot.

    The whole point of the game is to see who can create and maintain and best use their army given the time/resources/space/constraints. If you are using a bot, you are gaining an unfair advantage over the players who choose to keep an army that they can actually feed in the time they have online. That's cheating. How you can think otherwise...well, sounds awful convenient to me.

    Please feel free to head over to our harassment forum and see just how many pages upon pages of complaints we've had from non-botting players over the last few months. THEY sure think it's unfair to have to play against a computer program instead of a human being.

    I have to tell you...I think only the people who are afraid of losing their accounts for cheating are raising this howl over not being allowed to cheat anymore. That's my personal opinion. But maybe, just maybe, we should be making a list of those who protest the loudest and check their accounts for bot activity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyBunny View Post
    If I want to play against bots, I can play single player games against the computer. The whole point of THIS game is PvP. For those who missed it, that means Player vs. Player. Not Player vs. Bot.

    The whole point of the game is to see who can create and maintain and best use their army given the time/resources/space/constraints. If you are using a bot, you are gaining an unfair advantage over the players who choose to keep an army that they can actually feed in the time they have online. That's cheating. How you can think otherwise...well, sounds awful convenient to me.

    Please feel free to head over to our harassment forum and see just how many pages upon pages of complaints we've had from non-botting players over the last few months. THEY sure think it's unfair to have to play against a computer program instead of a human being.

    I have to tell you...I think only the people who are afraid of losing their accounts for cheating are raising this howl over not being allowed to cheat anymore. That's my personal opinion. But maybe, just maybe, we should be making a list of those who protest the loudest and check their accounts for bot activity?
    No matter what is done, no matter how much botting is considered cheating, those who bot will continue to do so because they're convinced that they have a right to gain an advantage over everyone else because they are superior to them somehow, and feel the need to prove that they are better in a video game no matter what the cost.

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    I still don't get what the big deal is, I mean from what I understand, the bots are free for anyone to use, so how do those using the bots have an unfair advantage over the others, when there is nothing preventing the others from using the bot but their own choice? I understand that it's against TOS, but a lot of the same people that refuse to get a bot because of the TOS probably have more than one account and think nothing of it. I'm not "raising a howl" as FoxyBunny put it, I just don't understand the big deal of it in general.

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    Cool Auto-heal

    I think the worst part about these bot programs is that sometimes they auto-heal.

    Just the other night I was hitting a city, knowing the player was definately offline.

    The city would heal after every attack I landed, and ballistas and transports would constantly be moving around.

    I dont care about the auto-farming thing, but the auto-heal is flat out cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZEFEDULI View Post
    I think the worst part about these bot programs is that sometimes they auto-heal.

    Just the other night I was hitting a city, knowing the player was definately offline.

    The city would heal after every attack I landed, and ballistas and transports would constantly be moving around.

    I dont care about the auto-farming thing, but the auto-heal is flat out cheating.
    agree whole heartedly.
    many of my friends have quit lately over the inability to maintain the acounts they build up. and when they have to cut back thier army and maintain a sub-standard account. they get fed up and quit. there is no room for players to grow. i would like to know though. where people find these bots. i looked back when i first started and couldnt find anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZEFEDULI View Post
    I think the worst part about these bot programs is that sometimes they auto-heal.

    Just the other night I was hitting a city, knowing the player was definately offline.

    The city would heal after every attack I landed, and ballistas and transports would constantly be moving around.

    I dont care about the auto-farming thing, but the auto-heal is flat out cheating.
    I said I didn't see what all the fuss was about, but I do understand how that could be very frustrating.

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    I still can't comprehend how they're going to sue someone for this. Asking for information from any email provider will be against their security policy. Not even all of their employees (email provider) have access to personal information.

    Unless Evony wishes to wilfully hack a company's database I can't see any loophole that allows them to access personal information.

    Then there comes the question of Internet protocol address that can br used to find a internet server provider. Yet, the internet provider will have very simliar policies for customer information. Usually personal information is secuirty classified.

    So if a moderator wants to explain the process of legal pursuit, please do so via private messaging. I'd rather not muddy this topic anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid View Post
    I still can't comprehend how they're going to sue someone for this. Asking for information from any email provider will be against their security policy. Not even all of their employees (email provider) have access to personal information.

    Unless Evony wishes to wilfully hack a company's database I can't see any loophole that allows them to access personal information.

    Then there comes the question of Internet protocol address that can br used to find a internet server provider. Yet, the internet provider will have very simliar policies for customer information. Usually personal information is secuirty classified.
    The likelyhood of a law-suit being filed against an end-user is minuscule, but against the creator of a widely used botting program, possible. Afterall, Blizzard sued MDY the maker of Glider and won. So, lawsuits over botting can be filed, just not necessarily against the end-user; the end-user would (should?) simply be banned.

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