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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashanta View Post
    You don't know how word filters work. They look at the text stream and look for those letter combinations mindlessly. They are not intelligent, they are simple, stupid, automatic. They incorporate the usage of spaces in them because that is one common way of bypassing the filter, and while this might break chat, they put those variations in the word list anyway to catch the instances of someone trying to bypass the word filter.
    I don't know how filters work?

    Do you know what Regular Expressions are, without using Google? Have you programmed in Java or C++? Have you adapted a VBScript module into a LotusScript module and used Regular Expressions to validate input data?

    If you have, then great. If you have not, or even if you have, it's highly presumptuous for you to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Validation / filtering can be done elegantly and effectively, or it can be done hurriedly and sloppily. The difference is the amount of time put into the process and the amount of testing that is done on the work.

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    It boils down to really you have to recognize that this is a "free game". As such, you're pretty much going to get pranksters and people who want to do things from the comfort of their own home that they could not get away with in public, at least not for very long. With the structure that's in place, basic word filters are about the most that should be done. You might consider adapting some of the adult content filters in various mail programs spam detection, or get it from major ISPs / mail providers (Earthlink, Yahoo, Google, Microsoft) and look for those specific variations and add to them as time goes on, but looking for "ho" in every single bit of text has two main drawbacks:

    1) It is resource intensive.
    2) It will likely have an enormous amount of false positives, particularly in a game where you have "host" and "vice-host". Also people can't ask "How can I...", or say the word "however", "I'm going home now", "Who needs help?", and on and on and on...

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    I know that people try to defeat filters. The problem becomes one of making too much of a deal about it and then having people who don't understand that you just can't look for every instance of "ho" in a word and filter the word just because it contains that 2-letter sequence. It's about common sense, and about proper Quality Control / Quality Assurance.

    Also, to stay relevant to the thread, all the multiple changes to the filter takes time away from fixing bugs or addressing people who use multiple accounts to gain an advantage over others by having a small account that feeds the larger account by providing resources through raids just often enough to be profitable.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 11-25-2009 at 12:34 AM. Reason: Had another thought...

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    I personally was starting to get very upset about blatant multi's/botting and it appears that recently a report that I had made did take effect. A mere 4 weeks following complaints by SIX of our members the player above me who had what appeared to be 4 multi accounts feeding his main, just disappeared. I would like to think this was because of action taken by evony, but naturally I don't assume they would tell me they had followed up on my complaint. Either he gave up and restarted all the accounts or action WAS taken.

    He had written in an e-mail to myself and other members of our alliance to stop hitting his alts for resources or we'd regret it. I don't know if the usage of e-mail helped in their investigation or the relentless attacking we did on his npc farming towns took it's toll and he gave up. Either way some justice was done.

    note- 2 prinz and 1 furstin to take down 1 motivated multi/botter with warehouses and 5 knight accounts. Automatic comforting is bull****

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    It's easy to spot when people have more than one account. Just look at the name.
    player
    player2
    player3
    and so on. There are tons of these accounts everywhere.

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    Excellent post Dadric

    One can only come to the conclusion that Evony does not consider this issue to be any kind of priority, or even a problem.

    Also agree with SirBourne that the response was poor in its tone.

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    So, would you rather have Evony spend all their time banning multi's, or fixing bugs and working on Age-II?

    I know which one I'd choose.

    I believe Evony employs less than 10 people? Which means there is more than 1 million players for every employee. Need I say more? Especially when they have to run all the different department thingys as well.
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    wow, so much crying on this topic.
    honestly, if sum1 has more than 1 account, paying twice what they normally would, would you ban them?
    honestly, u guys write for pages and pages, without realising that the makers of the game are getting money. why would they ban those that are giving away more than the average 1 account player
    hahaha
    u guys. so smart seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricky Boy View Post
    So, would you rather have Evony spend all their time banning multi's, or fixing bugs and working on Age-II?

    I know which one I'd choose.
    I do too. I would rather they concentrate their efforts on fixing and ensuring equity in this game, the one that's not just a future hypothetical. Maybe you're not one of them, but quite a few people have paid money for Evony. When you actively solicit people to pay for your product, and they do in fact pay for your product, you have a responsibility to ensure that the quality of the product is as advertised. With regards to on online game, one would assume that would include attempting to create at least the perception that you're enforcing the rules that you've induced people to rely on.

    And let's get one thing straight: there certainly aren't 1.1 million players for every Evony employee to deal with, and trying to frame it that way is nothing but useless sycophancy. On top of that, let's stop throwing this "11 million users" number around as if it's some sort of biblically inscribed excuse not to ensure the quality of a product. I've worked on communities for games at least as large as this one. "Registered users" is just an account count, it has essentially nothing to do with the actual number of people who actively play the game. For the overwhelming majority of games, less than half of "registered users" ever log on more than once or twice, and of those that do, a not insignificant number are second and third accounts. Are there a lot of people who actually "play" Evony? Yeah. Is it 11 million? Absolutely not. Is this any kind of excuse for a lack of rule enforcement? Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeX View Post
    wow, so much crying on this topic.
    honestly, if sum1 has more than 1 account, paying twice what they normally would, would you ban them?
    honestly, u guys write for pages and pages, without realising that the makers of the game are getting money. why would they ban those that are giving away more than the average 1 account player
    hahaha
    u guys. so smart seriously.
    You really think any of this has gone unnoticed? Learn to read between the lines.
    Last edited by Dadric; 11-25-2009 at 10:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeX View Post
    wow, so much crying on this topic.
    honestly, if sum1 has more than 1 account, paying twice what they normally would, would you ban them?
    honestly, u guys write for pages and pages, without realising that the makers of the game are getting money. why would they ban those that are giving away more than the average 1 account player
    hahaha
    u guys. so smart seriously.

    The problem with most multi's is that they aren't paying twice the other players. You don't see many prinz accounts with prinz multi's. What you see is 1 baronet or knight with as many other knight accounts as he can manage to bot successfully. If someone had the inclinitation and ability to play 2 prinz accounts effectively I would have no problem if they could do it without botting.

    From a business perspective they should remove all the multi accounts that didn't pay money. Then they could present the illusion of doing a lot of banning while leaving their paying customer base intact. It may very well even force those using multi's to give in and pay money for the medal boxes.

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