Fraud called "Global Warming"

[montedison]

Wow. Dawnseeker knows his stuff. If I wasn't so tired I'd read through the science.

Just grabbed my physical science book, and he's right, just so people know.

Jeez, if I paid more attention in class I could've sounded smart like him.

Ah well...

Well, no...actually doesn't really know his stuff. All he did was repeat what I said earlier and pick on 1 poorly worded phrase of mine. The rest of what he presented was cherry picked science selected to back his claim that global warming does not exist and if it did, would be a good thing. The only person he corrected was you.

That's not how the greenhouse effect works. Greenhouse gases (including CO2) do not "absorb energy from the sun"

---I'll admit I used extremely simplified terms, but...we're on an internet forum for a video game, not in a serious atmospheric science discussion. Technically, you're correct. The CO2 does not absorb anything. My exact words though were:

"Carbon dioxide absorbs the energy from the sun and does not allow the heat to escape. "

The first part of that sentence is, like I said, an extreme simplification, but the main point is exactly as you say:

but instead work as sort of a blanket on the planet that counteract the natural loss of heat that occurs on the night-side of the planet.

You continued on with:

Chlorine is a deadly gas that almost never occurs naturally in its pure form. When someone talks about chlorine in regards to the atmosphere and ozone layer, they are almost always talking about CFCs - chlorofluorocarbons - from things like refrigerants and aerosols, which do react with O3 (ozone) catalyzing 2 O3 molecules to react and form 3 O2 (breathable oxygen) molecules. This is dangerous because the chlorine is not consumed in the process and can continue to create this reaction.

Monte: 'It's why we stopped using CFCs. The ozone hole was the result of the breakup of 03 in the stratosphere because of the overabundance of chlorine.'

Thank you for validating that, Dawn. But then you jump off the diving board and go bat guano crazy....

Incidentally, what people fail to realize is that if we are warming the planet it is absolutely a good thing. Warming the planet would create more arable land, allowing for increased food production and allowing people to live in what would now be inhospitably cold climates, like northern Canada and Siberia. Throughout history, humanity has done far better during maximums, or "interglacial ages" than it has in minimums, or "ice ages." Incidentally, we are currently in an interglacial period, and most predictors indicate that we should be approaching another ice age soon, meaning "global warming," if it existed, would be kicking in at just the right time.

Its really a shame that global warming turned out to be a giant hoax. It would have been really good for mankind if it was real.

Do what? We need more land? For what? We already grow/raise more than enough food to feed everyone twice over yet a billion still are starving. What are we going to use this new land for? There is more than enough land right now to provide adequate space and sustenance for all of humanity and billions more. How would the opening up of Canada and Siberia for development benefit us?

If the northern and southern parts of the globe were to raise to a more temperate climate...the areas of the Earth we use now for farming and cattle grazing would shift. What we are accustomed to now would change. The areas we have 'tamed' would become too hot to grow our regular crops and raise our livestock.

The areas around the Equator would see an increase of temperature that humans would not be able to survive without extraordinary technological changes to the land. The unlivable areas of Africa would expand, Middle and northern South America would become inhospitable and....yes, huge areas of the globe which now house hundreds of millions of people would flood and become inaccessible. North America, southern South America, mainland Europe, northern Eurasia and southern Africa would most likely be spared from any destructive high/low temperatures like Dawn suggested...but we don't know. He is taking on the role of a soothsayer and suggesting that everything will be A-OK, without any reason for believing his own claims besides hope. I have no idea if any of the things I suggest would happen will, but it is our best approximation. We cannot expect the Earth to act in a manner fitting to our needs.

There is good evidence to suggest the warming of the globe would cause a rise in volcanic and seismic activity. Plates may shift under large civilizations, plumes may appear in the center of cities. It would increase in the areas we already know about and pop up in completely new places. We cannot predict the future actions of our planet. We just don't know. We're insignificant little bugs in the course of history and have no idea how we are affecting nature, what will occur next, nor what will occur if we allow certain actions of ours to continue. To suggest with certainty any future knowledge of the actions of this planet is a sign of gross arrogance and utter ignorance.

Allow me to make a few corrections, based on my extensive scientific background.

But you didn't correct anything. You just took my short answers and expanded on them...then tacked on your fabricated beliefs. The scary thing is...there are actually people like Dawn out there making decisions on international climate policy. And your scientific background is flawed. You do not approach this topic as a true scientist, you have your fabricated belief system and there is nothing anyone can say to make you change the way you think.

[BrotherhoodUK]

The temperature increases on Jupiter, Mars and Venus correspond exactly to the increases on Earth. This leads me to believe there are extraterrestrials with SUVs and coal-fired power plants on those planets.

LOL Dawnseeker.

As for global warming, we have just come out of an Ice Age, and this could be the planet just warming up again. We may be helping it, we may be not. But what I do know is that the ozone layer hole is getting bigger. So we are having an impact on SOMETHING.

[Dawnseeker]

Montedison, I was being facetious. I did not mean to diminish your point of view. My point was simply that an increase in temperature allows people to inhabit a larger percentage of the planet.

The idea that portions of the planet would become arid and somehow uninhabitable or no-good for farming due to a marginal increase in temperature (I think the most dire prediction is something like 2 degrees Fahrenheit in the next 200 years) is not correct for a couple reasons. If you look at the equatorial regions of the planet (the hottest parts), many are lush, green and vibrant, with the obvious exception of deserts. Rising temperatures do not create deserts; foliage, soil composition, geography and whether patterns do. Indeed, the expansion of deserts, where it has occurred, has been largely due to humans clearing forests and overgrazing cattle, clearing out the natural plant life that holds fertile topsoil in place.

I am not denying that humans have an incredible capacity to alter and destroy our environment, and certainly conservation (both of energy and the environment) is a worthy objective that we should be focusing time and resources on. This is the only planet we have and just because we're not heating it up does not mean I think we should turn it into a wasteland.

That said, lies and hoaxes designed to create the perception of a threat are a very bad idea. Without getting political, that statement applies to far more situations than Anthropogenic Global Warming. Let's confront this issue with facts and reason -- the true tools of science -- not unproven allegations and bad science.

[PU239]

.......... Sure, I think the planet is going through changes, but it's not because of us.

this has got to be the stupidest answer ever. you know everytime you use an aerosol you are breaking the green house, every time you use your diesel car (if ever you have one) you break the greenhouse everytime.... ahhhh everytime you talk you pollute the greenhouse!! joking. though that is a very naive and simpleton answer. I mean not to think we are the cause of global warming, sure the planet is also changing but the fact is we are speeding the process.

[Alusair]

I think the most dire prediction is something like 2 degrees Fahrenheit in the next 200 years

I'm pretty sure that's what I've heard, or close to it. In which case most global warming predictions could easily be exaggerated. Though I'm not sure personally how finicky nature is about temperature changes.

I really need to read into this soon so I can talk about it confidently. :/

Though with a 1 degree per century raise in temperature, it would suggest global warming actually is happening, albeit slowly. But I think an important thing to consider is that it, along with most global changes, is something that happens gradually over a number of years and not suddenly and dramatically overnight. And even if it is gradual, with any noticable consequences lifetimes away, I think it's best to study the situation now (preferably without propaganda-influenced bias) than wait until it actually does become a problem, during which it'd probably be too late to do anything about anyway.

[Wildor]

I just want to point out something.

Throughout history, everywhere, with all people, the one lowest common denominator is fear.
Fore some reason, humans need to fear. That is true still in this day and age.
When we have no reasons to fear, we find some. When we can't find enough, we invent some.
Same with hatred. We just need to hate our fellow humans. And we find reasons. And invent more.

Today, it's the whole "We are destroying the planet!! We are unworthy of even existing!!!" thing. (I'm hyperbolic here, people.)

Before, we weren't paying due respect to God, or the Gods, and were making Him /Them angry...

In the future, we'll find something else.

We always do.

[DCJerboa]

Global warming is happening. The avg temp is rising and the poles are melting faster than they have in recorded history.

The cause is debatable.
CO2 emissions? maybe
Natural cycle of the planet? possible
Weakening of the magnetic field as the poles trade places like they do every few thousand years? That's probably a large factor.
Increased solar activity and flares? could be
Pollution and various greenhouse gas build up? It's at least not helping.

In the end, does it all even matter?
Warming goes up and poles melt and the oceans rise. There has never been a creature more adaptable than man. We'll figure out a way to live in whatever climate changes happen.

Are we destroying the planet? HA!!!! NO!!!!
We might change the climate drastically, but Earth has been here long before us and will be here long after us.
We can make it unlivable for us, but Earth will find something to adapt and live in whatever climate gets created.

I support this message in its entirety...

...well, except this bit:

Are we destroying the planet? HA!!!! NO!!!!

Yes we are, but we're too selfish and greedy to sufficiently care, as a species, to change our ways. You're right that it most likely won't matter though... one of two things will likely happen by then: 1) our knowledge of science will advance to the point where we are able to restore the planet to health, or 2) we'll be space-based, or based on another planet by then.

FYI driftwood, as you most likely know... there is matter in space. It isn't a true vacuum... and no, I'm not just thinking of dark matter.

[Rodri]

I simply cannot understand how people can continue to play ostrich in the face of the simple facts that I stated in a previous post.

Climate change is more than just a small rise in maximum temperatures. It can also affect ocean temperatures which are the generators of weather phenomenon. Here in Australia we are just this year coming out of a drought that has been classified as the worst in recorded history. But we are also being told that there is another El Nino pattern in the Pacific Ocean, which is a precurssor for further drought in Australia.

Coincidence? Perhaps. But the weight of evidence is that human activity, especially since the Industrial Revolution is having a negative impact on the planet as a whole, including climate change.

A few emails do not disprove over 40 years of scientific research. There is no conspiracy, except for the one being run by the oil and energy companies to try to confuse the issue. Of course they run the American government, so that shapes USA responses to the issue as well. Eventually, you will believe the bleeding obvious when it smacks you in the face.

[Smythe]

The temperature increases on Jupiter, Mars and Venus correspond exactly to the increases on Earth. This leads me to believe there are extraterrestrials with SUVs and coal-fired power plants on those planets.

xD haha very nice

and i agree with Rodri - it seems painfully obvious to me that things are getting warmer, and the weather seems to be getting weirder,
but for some reason i can't really explain; i kind of feel that we are doing exactly what we are supposed to do by thickening the atmosphere and warming the planet. without understanding the bigger picture -like maybe we are just meant to make the planet more hospitable for some other lifeform that will succeed us, and maybe they need a hot wet climate,, who knows.

more CO2 and more sunhine, higher temperatures and increased precipitation,,, hmm, plants dig that don't they?

but i really believe global warming is actually a good thing, and that it's meant to happen, plus there is no turning back now anyways - Even if humans stopped ALL pollution RIGHT NOW! too many thresholds have already been passed so it will continue regardless

so i'll leave you with this thought:
imagine if you will, a bikini beach party in Sweden =)

[KOOPS95]

Yes we are, but we're too selfish and greedy to sufficiently care, as a species, to change our ways. You're right that it most likely won't matter though... one of two things will likely happen by then: 1) our knowledge of science will advance to the point where we are able to restore the planet to health, or 2) we'll be space-based, or based on another planet by then.

No, we're not. Global warming is killing ecosystems, not massive hunks of rock. We aren't killing the planet, we're just killing everything living on it. Well, not everything, but quite a few things.