The Weekly Debate

[TheBorg]

While the USA has any military power and political influence, it will never allow a United Europe. The joke is, while they were focused on Europe, China has suddenly become the economic powerhouse and the USA is heavily in debt to them.

The recent economic collapse was the death knell for the American Capitalist System, but it takes time for a monster so huge to totally die. The US government pumped billions of dollars in to try to delay the inevitable death (money borrowed mostly from China by the way) but the end is nigh.

Instead of uniting, Europe has been splintering into smaller and smaller states and there are still groups (i.e. Basque seperatists) who are pushing to divide Europe even more. Failing economies will help to increase the process of seperation as national economies collapse and different regions decide to seek their fortunes as a seperate entity.

some good points for sure but as you said it wont die out hard or over night and the US now has a So******t in power that is losing ground faster than any other president since Carter. Va and NJ were both won. No matter how much was dumped into the liberial media, the US is on its knees but not for long the real US is starting to wake up-
sucks cause you would want the first black pres to go down in history as one that was good instead the US got one that will go down as a failure in every way but was great at being able to fast talk.
Dont count the the US out yet, the Commie in power will never hold it...
yeah they wanted a change, and that Commie sure gave them one...

[Edu]

I'm quite surprised by the replies here so far.

Apart from Russia, the unification of Europe is already a fact. Ireland has fully chosen to blend in Europe, they've got the single currency and voted in favour of the one law. The odd one out is the UK at the moment, not being part of the euro, which they should get in to as soon as possible, because it's so much better for the economy.

The EU consists of 28 countries at the moment, with one law, a single currency (for most), a European President (recently voted) and free travel within the borders.

If I want to go work in Italy, I can pack up my stuff and move there, without anyone stopping me. If I want to travel from the Netherlands to Spain, I won't even be stopped at any border.

[PU239]

That's because Europoeans are So******ts. And everyone knows So******m is the new Communism. And that Communism is Satanism. And Satanism is Terrorism. And Terrorism is Anti-American. Which makes Europeans Anti-American. So we're going to invade them.**

But on a serious note, I don't see how a United Europe would be a bad thing for the US, besides potentially passing the US in economical matters (though whether it'd actually increase or just give the impression of being larger, I'm unsure). But as already mentioned, China's pulling ahead there anyway. I have a feeling the US would feel more comfortable standing behind a United Europe than most other countries in this situation, if it had a choice in the matter.

**This entire paragraph is sarcastic.

wrong so******m is communism it has always been, and before you can reach communism which they say by then everything would be free, they have to in so******t state at first where things are still charged with money.
communism will never be communism it will forever be stuck at so******m just look at korea.

[Tricky Boy]

The whole concept of Communism is flawed. Surely you know that?

[PU239]

The whole concept of Communism is flawed. Surely you know that?

that is why I said communism will never be reach the state of communism. it will forever be stuck at communism, not only the concept is flawed, look at the people running this thing. do you think they really wanna reach complete communism? not a chance ^_^

[Tricky Boy]

that is why I said communism will never be reach the state of communism. it will forever be stuck at communism, not only the concept is flawed, look at the people running this thing. do you think they really wanna reach complete communism? not a chance ^_^

I don't think you understand how it is flawed.

Communism is based upon the concept everyone is equal (Or something like that). But, if everyone is equal, how can one person run a country? They aren't equal with the rest of the people. On a small scale, in fact, a very small scale, it might work. But that would essentially be the same as democracy, i.e. Everyone is equal, equal opportunities, everyone gets a vote, etc.

And I'm pretty sure the idea was to go from Communism to So******m. Not the other way round...

[PU239]

I don't think you understand how it is flawed.

Communism is based upon the concept everyone is equal (Or something like that). But, if everyone is equal, how can one person run a country? They aren't equal with the rest of the people. On a small scale, in fact, a very small scale, it might work. But that would essentially be the same as democracy, i.e. Everyone is equal, equal opportunities, everyone gets a vote, etc.

And I'm pretty sure the idea was to go from Communism to So******m. Not the other way round...

yes I know, but in order to be equal they have to be at a so******t state because they need the resources to become a communist state. but this will never truly come because the people running this don't really want to be equal with the rest of the people this is what you are saying. on a small scale it will work just like what mao did, until he was in charge, it was not small anymore, it also became to hard to handle and apply.

[Tricky Boy]

yes I know, but in order to be equal they have to be at a so******t state because they need the resources to become a communist state. but this will never truly come because the people running this don't really want to be equal with the rest of the people this is what you are saying. on a small scale it will work just like what mao did, until he was in charge, it was not small anymore, it also became to hard to handle and apply.

I don't get what you mean...

[Edu]

That's because Europoeans are So******ts. And everyone knows So******m is the new Communism. And that Communism is Satanism. And Satanism is Terrorism. And Terrorism is Anti-American. Which makes Europeans Anti-American. So we're going to invade them.**

You know, there's actually more thruth in your post as you realise yourself.

Did you know that GWB signed an act in 2001 that the US of A can and will invade the Netherlands, if ever an American is brought to justice at the Court for Crimes against Humanity in The Hague?

Which raises a few questions. According to NATO's first rule, an act of war against one member of NATO is an act of war against ALL members of NATO. But what if that act of war is done by one of the members itself?

Would the US of A actually go to war with the Netherlands if one of their soldiers is being accused of crimes against humanity for their actions in (for instance) Iraq?

[Tricky Boy]

You know, there's actually more thruth in your post as you realise yourself.

Did you know that GWB signed an act in 2001 that the US of A can and will invade the Netherlands, if ever an American is brought to justice at the Court for Crimes against Humanity in The Hague?

Which raises a few questions. According to NATO's first rule, an act of war against one member of NATO is an act of war against ALL members of NATO. But what if that act of war is done by one of the members itself?

Would the US of A actually go to war with the Netherlands if one of their soldiers is being accused of crimes against humanity for their actions in (for instance) Iraq?

I think I remember that. It was either posted by you somewhere else, or was on the news...or it might have been in the paper.