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    Smile Since I Couldn't Find a Complaints Board...

    Since there is no opinion/complaints board(that I saw anyway), I'm not exactly sure where I would place this...

    Why is it that the Evony Team advertises "Free Forever" then asks us to sell our souls if we want to actually do more than be wiped out or watch paint dry? I know damn well that, with as many players as Evony has, the prices on items you can buy far exceeds the price of site upkeep(though the greedy creators would NEVER tell us as much). The point of a game like this is not to line the makers pockets with cash, but to provide entertainment and satisfaction for those who play. While this game is fun at first, the cost of playing effectively and the extreme slow pace of the game really serve to drive people away rather than make them want to throw money at the developers. It is by no means entertaining or satisfying. The mechanics of the game are mediocre at the very best, the playability of the game(especially later in the game) is very low. All in all, Evony is flawed right down to the foundation. The concept is great, but the team obviously doesn't know how to approach it. It's also obvious to me that, unless a suggestion will give them more ways to take our money, they don't care what the members have to say.

    Now, I know some of you are going to feel the urge to flame/insult/take offense/etc so allow me to give you my email address and my MSN Messenger screen name, that way I'll be able to read all of the frightening/poorly written insults and defenses for the game you feel like sharing with me:

    sbaldwin84@ymail.com(email)
    odins_messanger@hotmail.com(MSN)

    I hope some of you can grow a pair and let me know what you think of what I have to say. Maybe put the fear of God in me. I find those kinds of things amusing to no end, so please write me.




    As for the Evony Team, let me know if you ever decide to make this game remotely playable for those of us who enjoy strategy games that run smoothly and can't afford to spend $X.xx every time we find ourselves unable to advance due to sh**ty drop rates.

    Until that day, I'm out. I'm sure there are far better games than this that don't ask for your firstborn son in exchange for a key to a chest(which is given as a gift in the first place).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbaldwin View Post
    The point of a game like this is not to line the makers pockets with cash,
    but to provide entertainment and satisfaction for those who play.
    Dude, it's a gaming business N' all business need to make profits.
    Entertainment cost money.

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    Actually, the point of this game IS to line their pockets :P . Of course, I don't pay, so meh :P . Don't know why I would flame this, but I'll try...

    WHAT THE HELL?!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!!! You are totally wrong on that account!! It's not $X.xx, it's X.xx$ USD!! Sheesh!
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    I don't know why anyone would flame an opinion, but in my experience it happens a lot. I'm just making it easier for people who wish to tell me why I'm wrong and whatnot to do so. Surprisingly, some people really, really like this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbaldwin View Post
    I don't know why anyone would flame an opinion, but in my experience it happens a lot. I'm just making it easier for people who wish to tell me why I'm wrong and whatnot to do so. Surprisingly, some people really, really like this game.

    I won't flame you but I'll be happy to condescend. You call the creators "greedy", yet they are providing a service for free. I've played the game for over a month now and have not paid one cent. Actually, I've vowed not to do so even though I enjoy the game because of the drop rate for rose medals. But your anti-capitalistic rant and assumption they are "greedy" is inane and infantile. Do you know their margins? Do you know what the bills are in the homes of the few employees they can afford to keep? What about their parents, kids, siblings, and other family members that they may be responsible for? Who is more greedy here? I think it's you and your snide attitude coupled with your inability to come up with constructive solutions and lodge a genuine complaint.

    Purchasing a service or product is about choice. You can make that choice freely and voluntarily. I choose not to and I choose to be vocal about that because I do not agree with this policy. I would prefer the developers expand game play at higher levels and generate reasons for me to invest in the gaming experience there. That said I am playing for free, and I am happily assisting players that pay for their experience. So I am contributing to the bottom line dollar (or cents har har).

    What are you doing? Go play AOE or something.

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    Everything happens for a purpose.Besides usd,evony cents,virtual resources to grow and spend.All are worth about the same in my book .Don't burn very good,taste like....What good are they?

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    I won't flame you but I'll be happy to condescend. You call the creators "greedy", yet they are providing a service for free. I've played the game for over a month now and have not paid one cent. Actually, I've vowed not to do so even though I enjoy the game because of the drop rate for rose medals. But your anti-capitalistic rant and assumption they are "greedy" is inane and infantile. Do you know their margins? Do you know what the bills are in the homes of the few employees they can afford to keep? What about their parents, kids, siblings, and other family members that they may be responsible for? Who is more greedy here? I think it's you and your snide attitude coupled with your inability to come up with constructive solutions and lodge a genuine complaint.

    Purchasing a service or product is about choice. You can make that choice freely and voluntarily. I choose not to and I choose to be vocal about that because I do not agree with this policy. I would prefer the developers expand game play at higher levels and generate reasons for me to invest in the gaming experience there. That said I am playing for free, and I am happily assisting players that pay for their experience. So I am contributing to the bottom line dollar (or cents har har).



    You make some good points, but I stand by my opinion. You call me greedy for expecting a game that advertises as free to be free(or at least charge reasonable amounts for the things that do cost). Yes, the basic skin and bone part of the game is free. But to really participate in the game, it is set up to squeeze the money out of members. You say it is infantile to call them greedy without knowing them or why they're charging so much for services I don't consider to be worth that amount of money, yet you call me greedy without knowing me or why I 'm saying the things I'm saying. Isn't that a little bit hypocritical?

    And constructive solutions? I've looked around the forum enough to see that the majority of truly helpful solutions are shot down with no reason given as to why. Just "We will not be doing this." I only see two reasons not to implement these changes: It would be very difficult to do so, or the change lowers the amount of money that can be milked from the members. Now there could be another reason, but since money is a major driving force in the world of today, I interpret it as greed. I could be wrong, I know that, but unless I am shown otherwise, my opinion remains as is.

    What are you doing? Go play AOE or something.
    That's actually what I was planing to do. If I buy that, I get a faster paced game that has a higher entertainment value, a large fan base(for that multi-player experience), and costs a lot less for a lot more content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbaldwin View Post
    You make some good points, but I stand by my opinion. You call me greedy for expecting a game that advertises as free to be free(or at least charge reasonable amounts for the things that do cost). Yes, the basic skin and bone part of the game is free. But to really participate in the game, it is set up to squeeze the money out of members. You say it is infantile to call them greedy without knowing them or why they're charging so much for services I don't consider to be worth that amount of money, yet you call me greedy without knowing me or why I 'm saying the things I'm saying. Isn't that a little bit hypocritical?
    Yes, you are greedy. You expect those who invest their sweat equity, time, energy, and talents to deliver a product to you with absolutely no understanding of their necessities, operations, costs, or profits - aka "margins". And you doing this does not make me a hypocrite at all. I'm simply pointing out that you have no clue how the company is run. They also have every right to do everything they can to make money and pay the bills on time.

    I autopay $15 for WoW, I did the same for Tabula Rasa and EvE online. Those companies enjoyed dedicated player bases that continued to renew in exchange for progressive content. The challenges faced by the Evony staff are much greater and they do not have the technical capabilities that Vivendi has to throw down.

    But they have still managed to create a fun game that is rewarding to play free for a time even if it has become frustrating when you cannot progress.



    And constructive solutions? I've looked around the forum enough to see that the majority of truly helpful solutions are shot down with no reason given as to why. Just "We will not be doing this." I only see two reasons not to implement these changes: It would be very difficult to do so, or the change lowers the amount of money that can be milked from the members. Now there could be another reason, but since money is a major driving force in the world of today, I interpret it as greed. I could be wrong, I know that, but unless I am shown otherwise, my opinion remains as is.
    Greed? Think about that for a moment. Is the desire to deliver a product and service you can be proud of while at the same time earning a comfortable or perhaps very luckily a lucrative lifestyle at the same time truly greed? How difficult do you think it is running services for tens of thousands of simultaneous users at no cost while having no obligation to pay or continue to pay as other MMORPGs do? Offering a free service to the public in exchange for a percentage of paying players is a beautiful and very un-greedy thing. Evony has to earn the right to collect money unlike auto-subscription based services. Your frustration comes from their failure to earn your payment not from their greed.

    Please, by all means show me a business plan that has a better method. I do not agree with the medal ration I think it is incredibly destructive to their player base. But I would suggest they create more fun and engaging reasons for me to purchase from them. If I was on their marketing team I couldn't imagine employing this tactic (or the boob ads, but whatever - if they work awesome).


    That's actually what I was planing to do. If I buy that, I get a faster paced game that has a higher entertainment value, a large fan base(for that multi-player experience), and costs a lot less for a lot more content.
    I have them all. They're fun. But I can't pop in and chat with people for free while assisting the #1 alliance on my server with my puny one city (since I can't find rose medals either). And I'm not spending a dang penny on cents (har har) until I get my 2nd castle. But I'm not complaining, I'm just going to post these types of threads which I know the developers and biz dev peeps do read (and probably try to ignore because of the negativity).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbaldwin View Post
    The point of a game like this is not to line the makers pockets with cash, but to provide entertainment and satisfaction for those who play.
    Yet you say you are going to go play AOE, did you buy that game? Because you know that game was put out purely to make money and no other reason, right? It had nothing to do with providing entertainment and everything to do with making money. As everything in the entertainment industry does. The Entertainment industry(i.e. Movies, Music, Games) is a multi billion dollar industry.

    I play for free and I get plenty of entertainment from playing and just as much from alliance chat in game.

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    I think the feeling is real and valid. It's a bit of a bait-n-switch. Like when you go to a party only to find it's a recruitment for a religious order, if you had full disclosure, you might have decided differently.

    That said, the 'free-to-play' model is fantastically successful. The publishers of such games make huge amounts of money on the micropayments. If you think of it, with subscription games, you can only make a small amount per month from each players. With micro-payments, there is no ceiling on how much a person can spend on your game. AND F2P games get lots of players.

    Complaining about the industry... I don't think you'll change anything until gamers quit funneling money into the devs' pockets.

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