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    I understand the timing of the merger seemed a bit awkward. It may have caused a few annoyances, such as someone else sneaking in and taking your name before you could.

    However, no one on the server "lost out" on anything. Everyone got 5 days of free upkeep, including all players on those servers. The fact that you did not have to click your milk and cookies for 3 of the days does not detract from that simple fact.

    As for coming back from vacation and finding cities plundered -- this can happen any time you leave Evony for an extended period of time and is one of the reasons we implemented a Holiday Mode.

    This is a war game. You will attack and be attacked. You will capture heroes and lose heroes; plunder and be plundered. There is nothing that can happen to you that you can't do to someone else and there's nothing you can lose that you cant replace.

    That is the nature of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    I understand the timing of the merger seemed a bit awkward. It may have caused a few annoyances, such as someone else sneaking in and taking your name before you could.

    However, no one on the server "lost out" on anything. Everyone got 5 days of free upkeep, including all players on those servers. The fact that you did not have to click your milk and cookies for 3 of the days does not detract from that simple fact.
    As I pointed out elsewhere, ALL OTHER SERVERS in the "Evony Community" had the opportunity for 5 days during Christmas for the Milk and Cookies offer, then THREE (3) ADDITIONAL DAYS when their servers merged. This makes a total of EIGHT (8) DAYS of opportunity for other servers. People on servers 15 and 16 had a total of FIVE (5) days of OPPORTUNITY and ONLY FIVE (5) days of OPPORTUNITY due to the overlap of THREE (3) days from the merge.

    I do not like using caps, but it is being done to stress what you all seem to be missing, which is that the "right thing to do" is to allow ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

    To illustrate more personally to you, let's say you are doing the same job as someone else in your company. Let's say that both of you were initially told that for every 8 hours you worked, you got 1 hour of paid time off. Let's say that you then both worked 64 hours, thus both got some overtime, but when the paid time off was calculated, YOU, Nathan, were told that due to whatever reason, YOU, Nathan, only get 5 hours of paid time off while the other person receives 8 hours of paid time off.

    How would you feel? Is that a "fair" arrangement?

    Please do the "right thing" and treat EVERYONE in the community EQUALLY.

    Thank you.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 01-10-2010 at 06:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    As I pointed out elsewhere, ALL OTHER SERVERS in the "Evony Community" had the opportunity for 5 days during Christmas for the Milk and Cookies offer, then THREE (3) ADDITIONAL DAYS when their servers merged. This makes a total of EIGHT (8) DAYS of opportunity for other servers. People on servers 15 and 16 had a total of FIVE (5) days of OPPORTUNITY and ONLY FIVE (5) days of OPPORTUNITY due to the overlap of THREE (3) days from the merge.

    I do not like using caps, but it is being done to stress what you all seem to be missing, which is that the "right thing to do" is to allow ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

    To illustrate more personally to you, let's say you are doing the same job as someone else in your company. Let's say that both of you were initially told that for every 8 hours you worked, you got 1 hour of paid time off. Let's say that you then both worked 64 hours, thus both got some overtime, but when the paid time off was calculated, YOU, Nathan, were told that due to whatever reason, YOU, Nathan, only get 5 hours of paid time off while the other person receives 8 hours of paid time off.

    How would you feel? Is that a "fair" arrangement?

    Please do the "right thing" and treat EVERYONE in the community EQUALLY.

    Thank you.
    Yours was the only merger over christmas therefore there is no "all other servers got this or that" every server got 5 days free food and if you really think about it you folks got the better deal due to the great bonus merger package that you all got with adv teles and such. Most other players would kill to get one of those
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightfang View Post
    Yours was the only merger over christmas therefore there is no "all other servers got this or that" every server got 5 days free food and if you really think about it you folks got the better deal due to the great bonus merger package that you all got with adv teles and such. Most other players would kill to get one of those
    Every other player that goes through a server merge gets that same deal, thus your argument is invalid.

    Those players on servers that were merged BEFORE us received:

    1) THREE (3) days during the merge (and all those merge items).
    2) Up to FIVE (5) days during 12/23/2009 - 12/27/2009.

    GRAND TOTAL = UP TO 8 DAYS

    Servers 15 and 16:

    1) THREE (3) days during the merge (and all those merge items).
    2) Up to FIVE (5) days during 12/23/2009 - 12/27/2009.

    SUB-TOTAL = UP TO 8 DAYS

    3) The THREE (3) days during the merge ran concurrently with the FIVE (5) days during 12/23/2009 - 12/27/2009 on the days of 12/24/2009, 12/25/2009, and 12/26/2009.

    SUB-TOTAL = UP TO 8 DAYS
    GRAND (NET) TOTAL = UP TO 8 DAYS - THREE (3) DAYS = 5 DAYS NET TOTAL

    Server SS1, despite their issues, are receiving THREE (3) DAYS now, and had the potential for FIVE (5) DAYS during Christmas. Thus their grand total is also EIGHT (8) days.

    So even following your own logic, even other MERGED servers get more than server N4.

    Mathematically, 8 is more than 5. The players on the merged servers also received all the server merge items.

    If this is not clear to you, I do not know how to make it more clear. Telling me otherwise is like telling me that me receving 5 widgets is THE EXACT SAME as you receiving 8 widgets, or, more bluntly, that "5 for you, 8 for me" is somehow a "fair deal". It isn't. Everyone involved should receive up to 8, not some receiving up to 5 and others up to 8, but everyone receiving up to 8.

    As an aside to you, Brightfang, your friend SweetP has picked up this and run with it without me asking her to. She's about the only person who has seemed to care, and about the only person who seems to be objective. Apparently many people have to be IN THE SITUATION to have objectivity / empathy, and that's what's so sad about the world today. Something that is wrong is wrong because it is wrong, not based on who it is happening to.

    Those of us on server N4 DESERVE to be treated the same as others. We do not deserve MORE, but nor do we deserve LESS. We are customers, not sub-customers.

    I again ask that Evony simply do the right thing.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 01-10-2010 at 11:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightfang View Post
    Yours was the only merger over christmas therefore there is no "all other servers got this or that" every server got 5 days free food and if you really think about it you folks got the better deal due to the great bonus merger package that you all got with adv teles and such. Most other players would kill to get one of those
    I am not even in server 15 & 16 but as it sounds evony staff are terrible arguers and very very unfair.

    They got the better deal?

    Some players come back from spending time with their families to having 1 city with absolutely nothing... but with a package!

    Oh.. your right! They did get the better deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    This is a war game. You will attack and be attacked. You will capture heroes and lose heroes; plunder and be plundered. There is nothing that can happen to you that you can't do to someone else and there's nothing you can lose that you cant replace.

    That is the nature of the game.
    So, the nature of the game now extends to UMGE being able to screw those over who went on vacation during a major real world holiday without reasonable advance notice?

    And the "this is a war game" excuse only applies if the game is proceeding as normal without outside interference (aka server merge).
    But....the eternal ray of sunshine REALLY wanted to see you, so I helped brighten your day by removing the city from around you! ^.^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashanta View Post
    So, the nature of the game now extends to UMGE being able to screw those over who went on vacation during a major real world holiday without reasonable advance notice?
    Again, please refrain from derogatory remarks. The timing was the timing. There's nothing that can change that now. I'd like to think that with as much noise as those of us that had to go through it made, it at least made them delay SS1 and any others until after the holidays. Maybe not, but it's a dream that I can hold onto anyway...

    Yes, the timing was real bad, but my concern now is ONLY with recovering what people gave as gifts in good faith. I'm concerned with the company respecting that which was given in good faith, and respecting all players in the community as equal.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neko_lord View Post
    Again, please refrain from derogatory remarks. The timing was the timing. There's nothing that can change that now. I'd like to think that with as much noise as those of us that had to go through it made, it at least made them delay SS1 and any others until after the holidays. Maybe not, but it's a dream that I can hold onto anyway...

    Yes, the timing was real bad, but my concern now is ONLY with recovering what people gave as gifts in good faith. I'm concerned with the company respecting that which was given in good faith, and respecting all players in the community as equal.

    Thanks.
    There were no derogatory remarks. Please refrain from accusing me of making them in the future unless I actually make one.
    But....the eternal ray of sunshine REALLY wanted to see you, so I helped brighten your day by removing the city from around you! ^.^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    This is a war game. You will attack and be attacked. You will capture heroes and lose heroes; plunder and be plundered. There is nothing that can happen to you that you can't do to someone else and there's nothing you can lose that you cant replace.

    That is the nature of the game.
    I don't think anyone is agruing this fact right now, that is the game. But to walk away thinking that your alliance is watching and helping to defend your cities when real life comes up, and to come back only to find that you have no alliance and no cities and all your work is gone is crappy. And to have it be not the actions of another person in game but the actions of the game its self is what is what is the worst. Timing a big task such as a server merger when you know alot of people are seeing family and the such isn't just "awkward" timing its down right stupid timing. And shows that Evony doesn't have much regard for its players. Just my two cents (hoping the ban hammer is stayed )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    As for coming back from vacation and finding cities plundered -- this can happen any time you leave Evony for an extended period of time and is one of the reasons we implemented a Holiday Mode.

    This is a war game. You will attack and be attacked. You will capture heroes and lose heroes; plunder and be plundered. There is nothing that can happen to you that you can't do to someone else and there's nothing you can lose that you cant replace.

    That is the nature of the game.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroStatik View Post
    I don't think anyone is agruing this fact right now, that is the game. But to walk away thinking that your alliance is watching and helping to defend your cities when real life comes up, and to come back only to find that you have no alliance and no cities and all your work is gone is crappy. And to have it be not the actions of another person in game but the actions of the game its self is what is what is the worst. Timing a big task such as a server merger when you know alot of people are seeing family and the such isn't just "awkward" timing its down right stupid timing. And shows that Evony doesn't have much regard for its players. Just my two cents (hoping the ban hammer is stayed )

    This is the biggest point/issue here... If you leave knowing your alliance has your back and not having the money to go into vacation mode (or just not wanting to spend it) and come back a couple weeks later and have lost everything because Evony made an unexpected server merger that caused you to no longer be part of an alliance, then Evony is at fault for you losing all your cities, all your heroes, and all your resources...

    I know I've worked hard for my cities and my heroes. I also have an amazing alliance that was ready to defend my cities while I was gone for 2 weeks. Before leaving I farmed extensively and down sized the number of my troops so that i was set for 2 weeks and wouldn't refuge. If I had not been in my alliance during my vacation there is a good possibility that I would not have my cities now because I had so few troops there at the time that with out my alliance watching I could have easily lost them to even a much much smaller player.

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